Matt Wozniski wrote:
>> I say we move things to a new independent, ad-free wiki. 
>> I'd be happy to help set up a MediaWiki site.
> 
> I disagree pretty strongly.  The vim community has already 
> had websites grow stagnant (like the internet-in-1996 site 
> vim.org and vi-improved.org), and websites quickly lag behind 
> current technologies when no one is actively maintaining 
> them.  As long as ads are all it takes to have a guarantee 
> that the site will be constantly maintained and updated with 
> new technologies, I'd much rather put the administration of 
> the site in the hands of those who stand to profit from it, 
> rather than volunteers who might to get bored or distracted 
> with the project.

That's how I see it as well. I've actually received a good offer of a server and
bandwidth, and no doubt a couple of people here (me included) would be happy to 
play
around setting up MediaWiki etc. But the ongoing support is a killer. Upgrades,
backups, support ... it's not going to happen. We struggle getting a handful of 
tips
cleaned up.

We had an incident a couple of months ago where a spammer made half a dozen junk
pages every day on the Vim Tips wiki. After trying to cope for a week, I posted 
one
message and sent one email. Within 12 hours Wikia had installed a package to 
allow
admins the option to temporarily block all edits (we haven't needed to do 
that), and
they provided a full-time staffer who wrote a script for the particular attack, 
and
monitored its progress.

John


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