On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:02 AM, John Beckett wrote:
>
> Matt Wozniski wrote:
>>> I say we move things to a new independent, ad-free wiki.
>>> I'd be happy to help set up a MediaWiki site.
>>
>> I disagree pretty strongly.  The vim community has already
>> had websites grow stagnanCt (like the internet-in-1996 site
>> vim.org and vi-improved.org), and websites quickly lag behind
>> current technologies when no one is actively maintaining
>> them.  As long as ads are all it takes to have a guarantee
>> that the site will be constantly maintained and updated with
>> new technologies, I'd much rather put the administration of
>> the site in the hands of those who stand to profit from it,
>> rather than volunteers who might to get bored or distracted
>> with the project.
>
> That's how I see it as well. I've actually received a good offer of a server 
> and
> bandwidth, and no doubt a couple of people here (me included) would be happy 
> to play
> around setting up MediaWiki etc. But the ongoing support is a killer. 
> Upgrades,
> backups, support ... it's not going to happen. We struggle getting a handful 
> of tips
> cleaned up.
>
> We had an incident a couple of months ago where a spammer made half a dozen 
> junk
> pages every day on the Vim Tips wiki. After trying to cope for a week, I 
> posted one
> message and sent one email. Within 12 hours Wikia had installed a package to 
> allow
> admins the option to temporarily block all edits (we haven't needed to do 
> that), and
> they provided a full-time staffer who wrote a script for the particular 
> attack, and
> monitored its progress.

BTW - Thank you John!  My previous comment could equally well be
construed as "But where will we be when John leaves?"...  In all
seriousness, though I try to clean up a tip or two when I have a
chance, vim.wikia.com wouldn't have a chance without you.  Thanks for
all you do for the community.

~Matt

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