Mario, no one is questioning that Apple has bugs in their software at times and some of those bugs are problematic. However, it seems a little disingenuous to me that the national Federation of the blind criticizes Apple for their excess ability yet doesn't say anything about other companies excess ability. Why is that?? And Apple should make their products accessible, and I would assume we both agree they should, shouldn't google as well? Shouldn't they be held to the same high standards that apple is? And if they don't reach those standards, shouldn't the national Federation of the blind if money isn't really what is driving them, have a resolution encouraging them to make their products more accessible as well? Why was there no resolution discussing the excess ability of Google products? And less money is really what is driving this conversation.
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Mary, my answer to you is: > read the post from Jonathan Mosen. > > http://mosen.org/that-nfb-resolution/ > > Às 17:15 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: >> Mario, >> Since you don't know me or anything about my history, you are way out of >> bounds with your criticism. Just because I don't fall into lockstep, and I'm >> not willing to ignore the fact that the Federation gets money from other >> vendors, whom they didn't do not criticize and resolutions, does not make me >> ungrateful for progress. I am not going to walk in lockstep behind anyone. I >> have sat in too many meetings with Federation us who simply would not change >> their opinion on anything despite data. And I have also sat in other >> meetings with Federationists who were quite the opposite. No one and no >> organization is perfect and beyond criticism. I certainly agree that the >> quality assurance problems with Apple products as well as many others in the >> software field are serious. But the fact that the Federation takes money >> from other equally guilty, if not more guilty vendors, and then does not >> produce resolutions calling on them to up their quality game, well, it's >> rather suspicious don't you think? Never mind answering that, it was a >> rhetorical question. >> >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> you are of those only has intelligence to criticize what others do for you >>> ... >>> You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and >>> accessibility. >>> instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you. >>> NFB never done anything for you? >>> read this and learn. >>> >>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>> >>> Às 16:46 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: >>>> Two years in a row, and if he has had resolutions which specifically >>>> called out Apple. At the first of those conventions, they were calling >>>> Google and accessibility champion. Why doesn't NFB spend equal time on >>>> other companies, especially google, which is still behind Apple and >>>> someways, but they call them a champion? I say as I have said before and >>>> should probably stop saying, follow the money. Google sponsor their >>>> convention as a champion. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>>>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love >>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>>>> >>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dacia >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I have >>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this is >>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all of >>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone heard. >>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed so >>>>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB >>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate prioritization >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass despite >>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant >>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who is >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any >>>>>>> merit >>>>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for NFB >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where the >>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming grounds >>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the object >>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were >>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then occupy >>>>>>> that high point. 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