Yes, I hope the moderators stop it soon!! On 8/26/16, pegkan...@gmail.com <pegkan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do not understand why this topic > continues I think it has been blown out of the water and the moderators need > to stop it soon it's getting a little bit ridiculous everyone is allowed to > have their own opinions. > > Peggy Sent from my IPhone. > > >> On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The only other thing I have to say is that I know first hand that the >> NFB is very pro guide dog. Numerous members have them and there is a >> very active national division for guide dog users and a number of >> states have divisions as well. Does the NFB endorce one school over >> another, no, but they are NOT ANTI GUIDEDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you >> think they are, do your research. Ask questions, visit the NAGDU >> website and such. You can't make an informed opinion without >> reasearching first. I myself don't have a guidedog, the long white >> can is cheaper for me, lol. However, I know several members of the >> Federation who do. Does the NFB always get it right? No, but neither >> does any organization. So stop being petty and dragging everything >> through the mud and act like the adults I know we all are. >> >> thanks, >> Dacia >> >>> On 8/26/16, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello. I have to agree about the email bug. I mean, they've had a year >>> to fix it, now. >>>> On 26/08/16 03:16, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> Well, I think we're talking about more than just a few inconveniences. >>>> I was one of those who was hit with that bug where VoiceOver would >>>> hang almost every time I got a call and I had to hard reset my phone. >>>> Sure people who weren't hit by this bug can say it's no big deal, but >>>> IMHO, that's only true if you don't use your iPhone to make phone >>>> calls. I still have that bug where VoiceOver freezes up when I reply >>>> to an email message. Sure, I can squash the home button six times to >>>> work around this, but when I was on vacation last week, and the only >>>> way I could check on my email back at the office was with my iPhone, I >>>> sure regretted not just biting the bullet and schlepping my laptop >>>> around with me on vacation just so I could reply to my work emails. >>>> Fortunately, I don't have the voice dictation issue some are talking >>>> about, but I can empathize with anyone who isn't able to use such a >>>> key feature of their high end smart phone. >>>> >>>> I agree nothing is perfect, but inconveniences using your smart phone >>>> is one thing and bugs that keep you from using key features is a horse >>>> of another color. I also don't think any company should get a pass >>>> just because they have a lot of products or a lot to do. Apple chose >>>> to be in the markets their in and put out the products they do. They >>>> also sell high end devices. Apple is also a very wealthy company. If >>>> they need to put more resources into improving quality then they could >>>> thin out their product line a bit. I'm not saying they have to do >>>> that, but I'm also not feeling sorry for Apple because they have so >>>> many products making them so much money. >>>> >>>>> On 25/08/16 09:08, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>> I now use Linux on my Apple computer. I also have an Android tablet, >>>>> but >>>>> that's more for seeing if I want my nexp phone to be Android. I have >>>>> nothing against the people at Apple, I just would rather have more >>>>> control and freedom on my devices, and know that there are plenty >>>>> people >>>>> where that doesn't matter, but I'm just slightly more techie than >>>>> Apfle's regular customer. That being said, I don't find Apple's little >>>>> bugs to be that bad. Sure, you may need headphones when dictating, and >>>>> no, that's not fair at all, but they're a huge company with too much >>>>> on >>>>> their plate as it is, with 4 operating systems, several products. I >>>>> don't expect any system to be perfect. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Roger Frischenmeyer >>>>> <thejayhawk...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:thejayhawk...@sbcglobal.net>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I find it interesting that the resolution is critical of Apple for >>>>>> not >>>>>> testing their releases for excess ability and issues around the >>>>>> voiceover software, yet no resolution called on any other technology >>>>>> company to even work to make their product. Fully accessible. I >>>>>> wonder >>>>>> if there is a little pettiness with the national Federation of the >>>>>> blind when it comes to Apple and truthfully, it makes me question the >>>>>> credibility of that organization when it comes to software and these >>>>>> topics. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:dacia.l...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>>>>>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>>>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dacia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than >>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and >>>>>>>> this is >>>>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, >>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone >>>>>>>> heard. >>>>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was >>>>>>>> passed so >>>>>>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the >>>>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate >>>>>>>>> prioritization to >>>>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass >>>>>>>>> despite >>>>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other >>>>>>>>> companies. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant >>>>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse >>>>>>>>> who is an >>>>>>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without >>>>>>>>> any merit >>>>>>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for >>>>>>>>> NFB and >>>>>>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” >>>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming >>>>>>>>> grounds >>>>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the >>>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then >>>>>>>>> occupy >>>>>>>>> that high point. Since it’s obvious to me that neither NFB nor the >>>>>>>>> author >>>>>>>>> of that article would ever possibly occupy the “high ground” on >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> particular snow bank, I have to wonder just who is fostering all >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> “Apple bashing?” Makes me wonder! >>>>>>>>> **************** >>>>>>>>> - Bill & Leader Dog Holland >>>>>>>>> - "The problem with people who have no vices is that you can be >>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>> sure they are going to have some pretty annoying virtues." >>>>>>>>> - Elizabeth Taylor, 20th Century Screen Actress, (1932-2011)-- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>>>>>> chaltain at Gmail >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>>>> list, or if >>>>>>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>>>> owners or >>>>>>>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>>>>> Quinn - 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