W1 Chip still has lag :( Based on below excerpt, latency in w1 chip is less than most Bluetooth, but latency /= 0 ms | /= Wired connection. "... a RemoteTalk headphone cable with 3.5mm headphone jacks ... This, effectively, allows you to turn your Beats Solo3 Wireless Headphones into a pair of Beats Solo3 Wired Headphones. This is great for those times ... for other occasions, such as low latency podcast monitoring (latency is significantly less than most Bluetooth headphones, yet it’s still discernible.)" https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/15/hands-on-beats-solo3-wireless-the-first-available-headphones-featuring-apples-new-w1-chip-video/
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 10:23 AM Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > Hi Marie, > > You don't "need" to buy these Airpods. Yes, the 3.5mm headphone jack is > gone so you have to use the Lightning earpods that come with the phone or > the 3.5mm to Lightning adapter or of course you can use any bluetooth > earpiece or headset you already may own or you can buy an inexpensive $50 > bluetooth earpiece. These are all valid options and while I agree that $160 > US for the Airpods is a steep price, there are many $150 to $200 headsets > out there and given the highly advanced design of these Airpods which I > totally expect to be awesome means the price tag is not totally unjustified > compared to what else is out there. I recently bought one of the more > expensive bluetooth headsets from Plantronics which was $200 here in > Canada, I think they are around $150 in the States, so not far off what > Apple charges for their Airpods. While they sounded great they were bulky > headsets and considering the price tag the lag when using Voiceover was > horrible. They were using Bluetooth 4.0 yet the lag was probably a good > half second, about the worst I have ever experienced and I promptly > returned them for a refund since I bought them from Amazon. It appears that > the version of Bluetooth doesn't necessarily mean it's a better experience > since I have an old Bluetooth 2.1 device which has almost no lag. It will > be very interesting to see how responsive these Apple Airpods will be, if > they are awesome I'll probably buy a set despite the price tag and despite > the fact that I am not even upgrading my 6S Plus to a 7 or 7 Plus. I also > like the fact you can use either left or right by itself which is great for > walking around when you want to get GPS announcements etc. I think Apple is > very serious about making wireless a standard which is not a "I can live > with that solution" because it's not great but I don't want wires, but they > want to make it an enjoyable and high quality experience. Let's see if they > deliver, also they designed this W1 chip so this means we'll probably see a > W2, W3 and so on chip down the road which improves the experience further. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Marie > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:55 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > > You don't understand my meaning. The fact that you need to buy an > expensive pair of wireless ear buds is a plus for Apple. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:55 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > > no. you have to buy them separatly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marie > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:57 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > > Instead they are offering the $150 Air pods? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Merritt > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:32 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > > In addition, as has been said before elsewhere, they may be removing the > headphone jack this year so they can really wow everyone with something > special next year. As one podcaster pointed out this week, this year the > main topic of conversation is the headphone jack disappearing. While next > year, everyone or most people will have moved on from that and will be > talking about whatever special item they're working on for the 10 year > iPhone. I don't like it any better than other people, but at least they're > helping to ease the transition by including an adaptor in the box this > year. They could just as easily charge $20 or $30 for that $9 adaptor, and > make us buy it as an accessory. > > Wayne > > On 9/9/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There is at least one Android handset that beat Apple to the punch > > when it came to removing the headphone jack, but most of the Android > > phones still have a headphone jack. > > > > IMHO, it'll be hard to tell for Apple to tell if the iPhone 7 is being > > well received just because they removed the headphone jack. I'm not > > sure what removing the headphone jack actually buys anyone right now. > > Any improved audio fidelity you get with the Lightning connected > > headphones, you would still see even if the headphone jack was still > > there. Sure, you may see thinner and more waterproof phones in the > > future, but for now, I don't think anyone is seeing the advantages of > > Apple ditching the headphone jack except for Apple and peripheral makers. > > > > I think if the iPhone 7 is received well, it'll be for features that > > have been added and not those that have been removed. > > > > On 09/09/16 08:49, Regina Alvarado wrote: > >> As I have only seen one Android I do not know if the phone Jack is on > >> it, but for some maybe this would be a good replacement to the new > >> Apple? I have been told Talk Back is a pretty good program. I believe > >> too that because Apple has removed the Jack, if well received by the > >> general public, it will also disappear from the Android and Windows > >> phones. I think fortunately or unfortunately we are a subset given > >> drops of accessibility and as we are now using mainstream devices we > >> are at the public's mercy. Doesn't make it right, just a fact, and we > >> want parity with our sighted counterparts, right? Kind of like the > >> ERA. Put women in combat when some said they should never be. Change > >> is hard, and I sure understand the deaf/blind problem (with my > >> hearing deficit(, but there are ways around the problems, > >> inconvenient yes but not worth waging a war over. Tell Apple > >> accessibility or hold onto old phones or yell here if you must, but > >> the earphone jack is gone, and there are much, much more important > >> problems with Voice-over that Apple should be addressing in my opinion. > >> > >> reggie & Lex > >> > >> On Sep 9, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> I suspect you're right that the headphone jack is gone for good, but > >> it's definitely true if anyone who misses the headphone jack doesn't > >> let Apple know how much they miss it. There's also no reason Apple > >> couldn't put the headphone jack back in a future device, although > >> like I said, I would doubt it. > >> > >> I'm also not sure how much of my regret over missing the headphone > >> jack is because I'm blind. I suppose I use my headphones more than my > >> sighted peers because I'll tend to grab them every time I just want > >> to check the lock screen, but I don't think it's just blind users > >> who'll be wishing their new phone had a headphone jack on it that > >> they've taken for granted on all of their electronics for years. > >> > >> It also sounds like you're saying we, especially as blind consumers, > >> shouldn't criticize Apple for a decision they made. I'm curious, are > >> you just talking about Apple or all companies? Are you just talking > >> about blind consumers or all consumers? For how much Apple wants me > >> to pay to get an iPhone 7, I think I'm allowed to criticize a decision > Apple made. > >> I for one don't think Apple is perfect, and I'm not just going to > >> assume that they'll never make a mistake and they always know what's > >> best for me. This isn't a knock on Apple, but just those who think we > >> should just be thankful for whatever Apple decides we as consumers > >> and blind consumers should be happy with. > >> > >> On 09/09/16 04:51, Larry Lumpkin wrote: > >>> Folks. The headphone jack is gone for good and I think we should > >>> move on. Apple made that decision years ago and every blind user in > >>> the world wasn't going to alter that decision. Charging while > >>> listening isn't a big deal for me but I'm retired and don't use my > >>> phone all that much for calling anyway. If I need power sooner, > >>> I'll buy the Belcan thingie. > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg > >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2016 4:23 AM > >>> To: "viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>> Strømberg" <viphone@googlegroups.com > >>> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> > >>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:terjestrmb...@gmail.com>> > >>> Subject: Re: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > >>> > >>> It would be cool if iPhone SE with 3.5mm beats iPhone 7, 7+ hard on > >>> the sales figures. Don’t think so, but …… Camera is too important > >>> for sighted people. > >>> > >>> Take care > >>> > >>> > >>>> 8. sep. 2016 kl. 23.28 skrev Donald Moore <don.moor...@icloud.com > >>>> <mailto:don.moor...@icloud.com>>: > >>>> > >>>> You know, if enough people forego the iPhone 7, maybe the 8 will go > >>>> back to the old plug. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 5:06 PM > >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>>> Subject: RE: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > >>>> > >>>> You figured that something like this was eventually going to come > >>>> out by a mainstream company or via a kickstarter campaign. > >>>> Off putting though that you have to shell out an extra $40.00 for > >>>> something that’s not even really a mobile solution. Curious to see > >>>> what kind of battery pack designs these same companies are going to > >>>> come up with for those of us who may want or need that extra backup. > >>>> There goes another $40.00 or $80.00 or whatever on top of > >>>> everything else. That and what type of solution they’re going to > >>>> come up with for all the credit card swipers that are so > >>>> ubiquitous Appel was actually getting credit yesterday for only > >>>> selling the replacement dongles for $9.00, but I guess this shows > >>>> they’re going to get their pound of flesh one way or another. > >>>> Those dongles are probably viewed as a lost leader anyway. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > >>>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 12:47 PM > >>>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone > >>>> Subject: Belkin's coming out with the adapter some of us need > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, I really wish Apple had shipped this kind of product in the > >>>> box, but for those who want to upgrade and had legitimate concerns > >>>> about the lack of ability to use wired headphones and charge, > >>>> here's the solution. > >>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/belkin-lightning-audio-adapter- > >>>> iph > >>>> one-7/ > >>>> Jonathan Mosen > >>>> Mosen Consulting > >>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training > >>>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V > >>>> iPhone list. > >>>> > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please > >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on > >>>> the list itself. > >>>> > >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > >>>> Quinn - 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