To each their own. I have had three android devices, make that four, I forgot about my first Nexus seven. And none of them worked all the time with the angle gestures. They just don't for me. Hit and miss. And that's inefficient. And judging from the amount of complaints I've heard, I am surely not alone.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't find the angle gestures in Talk Back to be impossible to use. I don't > recall a time when I struggled with them. I know some complain about them, > but some iPhone users complain about the roter as well. > > I personally prefer the Talk Back approach. The things I access the most in > the roter are the granularity settings, e.g. character, word, line, and in > Talk Back, I can change these with a flick up or down. If I want to get to > more options, I can bring up a context menu and then just access them out of > a list, as Mary describes. > > IMHO, the roter is overused in VoiceOver. Of course, I just may have too many > items in it. The fact that VoiceOver may put me somewhere else in the roter, > is nice when VoiceOver guesses right, but it can be a pain when it guesses > wrong, and I've got to twist my way back to the settings I want to change. > > I agree that the Talk Back gesture set is too limited. Hopefully the Talk > Back and Android developers are listening to us and will open it up some in > the near future. > >> On 19/01/17 22:01, Mary Otten wrote: >> The fly in the ointment with the talkback approach is that they have very >> few gestures, and many of those they do have are the right angle gestures >> which cause a lot of people a lot of problems. It is true that you can >> change the jesters, which is nice. But if you are one of those who has >> difficulty either performing or remembering those gestures, and which one >> goes with what action, it really doesn't do you much good to have all that >> customizability. I don't personally have a problem with the rotor, although >> I do wish it were shorter. I am careful about what I leave in there. But >> depending on where I am and where I need to go, it's quite a few turns or >> twists away. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> This is one of the few places where I think that Talk Back on the Android >>> is doing a better job. Instead of the rotor there is the Global context >>> menu or the Local context menu. Talk Back will now let you change the >>> gesture to invoke either of these menus and once there, you use the normal >>> swiping that we are all accustomed to. I got to try this out with a newer >>> version of Talk Back and was quite impressed. In the past the gesture to >>> invoke these menus was all but impossible to use. >>> JMT >>> Marie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten >>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? >>> >>> >>> >>> I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed >>> via the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the >>> language rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to >>> select your language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up >>> web elements and document navigation type elements, such as word line and >>> character. Of course, it can be argued that that is an artificial >>> separation, because you do often want to navigate by words on the web or, >>> in a document, maybe by headings. But nothing is perfect, and I do think >>> fewer twists of the rotor and Moore up and down flicks could be used. >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone >>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> HI all, >>>> >>>> >>>> I've not written for a good while but have had something nagging around >>>> that I wanted views upon, so here it is! >>>> >>>> >>>> As our i devices have grown in features, so I have found that the rotor >>>> system has become rather more of an irksome task. I have most of the items >>>> offered on my rotor and have noticed a certain amount of wrist strain in >>>> sometimes needing to turn it several times in succession on web pages, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am wondering if this rotor needs to be re-constructed, perhaps having >>>> two so that you can divide the rotor into better sections and change the >>>> rotor setting (to 1 or 2) via a designated keystroke. >>>> >>>> >>>> First, am I the only one who finds this a little cumbersome and, secondly, >>>> what do you think to the kind of idea I'd like to suggest? >>>> >>>> >>>> If indeed people think they'd like to see a change, perhaps you could give >>>> your ideas a whirl here also and then we can all speak with a number of >>>> voices to tell Apple what we think we'd like/need. >>>> >>>> >>>> I look forward to receiving some feedback on this issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> Carol P - UK >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - 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