One person having a problem with a gesture or even multiple people
complaining about it doesn't mean it's almost impossible to use. That
would be like me going on an Android list and saying that the roter or
scrub gestures in VoiceOver are almost impossible to use. I don't have
trouble with either gesture, but there are certainly those on this list
who do. The gesture I have the most problem with is the four finger tap
at the bottom of the screen to get to the end of a page, but I've never
said that it's almost impossible to jump to the end of a page in
VoiceOver. The most I'd ever say is that it's a gesture I have problems
with. I just think we do each other a disservice when we use hyperbole
and end up mis characterizing another option that might appeal to
someone else.
On 19/01/17 23:04, Mary Otten wrote:
To each their own. I have had three android devices, make that four, I forgot
about my first Nexus seven. And none of them worked all the time with the angle
gestures. They just don't for me. Hit and miss. And that's inefficient. And
judging from the amount of complaints I've heard, I am surely not alone.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't find the angle gestures in Talk Back to be impossible to use. I don't
recall a time when I struggled with them. I know some complain about them, but
some iPhone users complain about the roter as well.
I personally prefer the Talk Back approach. The things I access the most in the
roter are the granularity settings, e.g. character, word, line, and in Talk
Back, I can change these with a flick up or down. If I want to get to more
options, I can bring up a context menu and then just access them out of a list,
as Mary describes.
IMHO, the roter is overused in VoiceOver. Of course, I just may have too many
items in it. The fact that VoiceOver may put me somewhere else in the roter, is
nice when VoiceOver guesses right, but it can be a pain when it guesses wrong,
and I've got to twist my way back to the settings I want to change.
I agree that the Talk Back gesture set is too limited. Hopefully the Talk Back
and Android developers are listening to us and will open it up some in the near
future.
On 19/01/17 22:01, Mary Otten wrote:
The fly in the ointment with the talkback approach is that they have very few
gestures, and many of those they do have are the right angle gestures which
cause a lot of people a lot of problems. It is true that you can change the
jesters, which is nice. But if you are one of those who has difficulty either
performing or remembering those gestures, and which one goes with what action,
it really doesn't do you much good to have all that customizability. I don't
personally have a problem with the rotor, although I do wish it were shorter. I
am careful about what I leave in there. But depending on where I am and where I
need to go, it's quite a few turns or twists away.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Marie <scribbl...@comcast.net> wrote:
This is one of the few places where I think that Talk Back on the Android is
doing a better job. Instead of the rotor there is the Global context menu or
the Local context menu. Talk Back will now let you change the gesture to invoke
either of these menus and once there, you use the normal swiping that we are
all accustomed to. I got to try this out with a newer version of Talk Back and
was quite impressed. In the past the gesture to invoke these menus was all but
impossible to use.
JMT
Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:27 PM
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Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed via
the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the language
rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to select your
language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up web elements and
document navigation type elements, such as word line and character. Of course,
it can be argued that that is an artificial separation, because you do often
want to navigate by words on the web or, in a document, maybe by headings. But
nothing is perfect, and I do think fewer twists of the rotor and Moore up and
down flicks could be used.
On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
HI all,
I've not written for a good while but have had something nagging around that I
wanted views upon, so here it is!
As our i devices have grown in features, so I have found that the rotor system
has become rather more of an irksome task. I have most of the items offered on
my rotor and have noticed a certain amount of wrist strain in sometimes needing
to turn it several times in succession on web pages, etc.
I am wondering if this rotor needs to be re-constructed, perhaps having two so
that you can divide the rotor into better sections and change the rotor setting
(to 1 or 2) via a designated keystroke.
First, am I the only one who finds this a little cumbersome and, secondly, what
do you think to the kind of idea I'd like to suggest?
If indeed people think they'd like to see a change, perhaps you could give your
ideas a whirl here also and then we can all speak with a number of voices to
tell Apple what we think we'd like/need.
I look forward to receiving some feedback on this issue.
Thanks.
Carol P - UK
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