Mary, I can see what you're saying and agree with you. I was only thinking of 
the second rotor to try to separate things but that would only half solve the 
problem because I do find it quite tiring! :-) Okay, I'm going to keep thinking 
about it and do appreciate all the feedback I've had so far.



Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)


On 20 Jan 2017, at 4:03 am, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, richard. I guess I missed that. I read the message, the first one, but 
missed the fact that two actual rotors were apparently being suggested. That 
would be a problem and wouldn't solve the twist problem that some people have. 
That gesture is the hardest one for people coming to iOS, just like the right 
angles are the hardest for people coming to android.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I know you were not suggestion two rotors Mary.
> A message in the thread before yours had suggested it.  I think the first one.
> 
> SubMenus would be fine.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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> Mary Otten
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> Subject: Re: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
> 
> I wasn't suggesting two rotors. I was suggesting submenus off of the rotor 
> which would lessen the number of rotor twists you have to do to get the item. 
> We now have the actions rotor and the language rotor. Those are not actually 
> rotors. They are menus off of the rotor, and you get to the items by flicking 
> up or down. I am suggesting that we could have more of that sort of thing. It 
> isn't always convenient to operate your phone with two hands, which the two 
> finger method you propose requires.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think having two rotors would be worse for most. 
>> To save on wrist strain, try using one finger on each hand and slide them in 
>> opposite directions, but parallel with each other. So, start with one finger 
>> of each hand in about the middle of the screen, move the left one slowly 
>> upward, and the right one slowly downward, that will turn the rotor 
>> clockwise. When you run out of room, just put the two fingers back at your 
>> starting point and repeat.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do think it would be a good idea if the top level menu which is accessed 
>>> via the rotor could be made shorter. I think they did a good job with the 
>>> language rotor, pick the language setting and then flick up and down to 
>>> select your language. Maybe they could do something like that splitting up 
>>> web elements and document navigation type elements, such as word line and 
>>> character. Of course, it can be argued that that is an artificial 
>>> separation, because you do often want to navigate by words on the web or, 
>>> in a document, maybe by headings. But nothing is perfect, and I do think 
>>> fewer twists of the rotor and Moore up and down flicks could be used.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:00 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've not written for a good while but have had something nagging around 
>>>> that I wanted views upon, so here it is!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As our i devices have grown in features, so I have found that the rotor 
>>>> system has become rather more of an irksome task. I have most of the items 
>>>> offered on my rotor and have noticed a certain amount of wrist strain in 
>>>> sometimes needing to turn it several times in succession on web pages, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am wondering if this rotor needs to be re-constructed, perhaps having 
>>>> two so that you can divide the rotor into better sections and change the 
>>>> rotor setting (to 1 or 2) via a designated keystroke.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> First, am I the only one who finds this a little cumbersome and, secondly, 
>>>> what do you think to the kind of idea I'd like to suggest?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If indeed people think they'd like to see a change, perhaps you could give 
>>>> your ideas a whirl here also and then we can all speak with a number of 
>>>> voices to tell Apple what we think we'd like/need.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I look forward to receiving some feedback on this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carol P - UK
>>>> 
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