I don't like the idea of touch Id going away. It's nice to be able to just place my finger there and my phone unlocks or I log in an app. I don't want to have to rely on having to point the camera at my face to do all that.
On 9/7/17, Mr. Ed <[email protected]> wrote: > You have to have an accessible face for that to work. LOL > Mr. Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - > CNET > > How is it not accessible if all you have to do is look into the front > camera? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - > CNET > > they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they did not > which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that accessible how? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - > CNET > > I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button that Apple > will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of M. Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - > CNET > > Hello Larry, > > Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have not used a > physical Home button. Instead, they use soft, or on-screen) navigation > buttons located on the bottom row of the display. Unlike the S8 series, > however, these navigation buttons were always available. This is to say, > they did not scroll off the display. > > Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a physical > Home button on all of its Android devices. > > None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have physical Home > buttons; so I am no stranger to the technology. However, I strongly believe > that because of its physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my > S > 6 more than the others. > > Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home button > located in the center bottom row of the display. > With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the screen. > This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when one wishes to > quickly return to his/her starting point. > > Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and feasibility than > its competition. Let's hope it continues that standard. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Larry Lumpkin > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - > CNET > > If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of M. Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET > > Hello Everyone, > > I hope you find the following article interesting. > > As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home button, > with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much so, that I have > reverted back to my Galaxy S 6. > > If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I certainly hope that it > comes up with a better design solution than Samsung. > > Mark > > CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home button? > Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET > > What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the > answer. > Sarah Tew/CNET > When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely expected > to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the home button. If the > rumors are true, the all-screen design of the so-called iPhone 8 means no > room for a bottom bezel, and thus no room for a physical home button (and > its Touch ID fingerprint sensor). It will be the biggest design change to > hit the iPhone in its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most > basic usage element that has existed on the phone since day one. > > A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8. > MacRumors > Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. > In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with changes to > homescreen navigation for the past several years. There are already pieces > in place to suggest the transition may not be as wild and weird as you might > expect. Android phones have already done it, and the iPhone can do it too. > The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels for how > the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's home button is > already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's iPhone 7 and 7 Plus > featured a solid-state panel that used subtle vibration to simulate a button > press. It initially drew mixed opinions: some felt the click was weird; > others liked the haptic thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most > people I know did, too. > It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's how the > iPhone 8 display will work, too. > Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and Apple Watch > their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things on the iPhone 6S and > later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll wheels in settings, or > pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a part of the screen will probably > feel the same as pressing in on the solid-state home button does now. The > bigger problem, of course, becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint > sensor -- or come up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control > Center is an app launcher away from being the home button replacement > iPhones currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking > them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient. > Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting to > settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is getting > expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of user-configurable > widgets and switches. But if that same updated Control Center page had a > mini dock at the bottom for those same apps -- and/or a virtual home button > -- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with exiling the > home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a single action -- > pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process: > swiping first and then clicking the screen. > 3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts It still feels > like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that iPhones 6S and > later use is way underutilized, to the point where it feels unnecessary. But > what if pressing down on the home screen opened up sublayers, or app folders > beneath? Maybe pressing down on the bottom of the screen could launch back > to the home area, or Control Center. 3D Touch is there, and it's > theoretically versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to better use. > > One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home > screen? > Sarah Tew/CNET > iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone The iPad > has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11. > (The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely be > available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite apps for > quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional screen real > estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than what it was in iOS > 10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app > dock could be a model for what the iPhone 8 app area looks like. Maybe > something on a smaller scale, with nested menus? I just want to get to what > I need faster. > On an iPad Pro with iOS 11, swiping up brings a dashboard with open apps, > plus Control Center. It's a single place to swap between apps or adjust > settings. Basically, it's a type of Home Screen, buried beneath the grid of > apps that is currently called the Home Screen. > Maybe that's what Apple could do with an iPhone 8 without a home button. > The big question: Will Face ID be a stand-in to Touch ID, or a second > option? > Ultimately, there are plenty of workarounds for pulling the home button, > many of which Apple has already laid the groundwork for. But the bigger > question remains: what happens to Touch ID? Reports say that the top-end > iPhone will ditch it. I still find that hard to believe. Touch ID is still > pushing its way through Apple's product line -- it was added to MacBook Pros > in 2016 -- and it's the key to Apple Pay, which still has a ways to go to > gain traction at retailers in the US. > Why get rid of Touch ID now? I could see facial recognition being a new, > additional unlocking method to live alongside Touch ID, but I think it might > take more time to make it truly seamless. I also wonder what sorts of > accessibility concerns would arise from removing Touch ID and adding facial > recognition instead. For instance, will banks and other key app vendors who > have warmed to Touch ID be ready to sign off on facial recognition being > used to access financial records? Supposedly, Apple's use of infrared > scanning will allow iPhone unlocks in the dark, and avoid the "hack" that > unlocks Samsung phones with photos of the user. But that's all theoretical > until we see it in action. > > The side-mounted power button of the Sony Xperia Z5 doubles as a fingerprint > reader. > Andrew Hoyle/CNET > Unless Apple's facial recognition cameras on the next iPhone that are better > than I could possibly imagine -- effectively perfect -- I still think Touch > ID needs to exist. And if the home button is removed, Touch ID's functions > need to be relocated. Maybe it could live on the back of the iPhone -- where > Samsung, LG, Google and others have already put their fingerprint sensors -- > or on the side, where Sony has experimented. But the question of what > happens to Touch ID and mobile payments is the biggest challenge to removing > to the Home Button. > The rest already seems pretty sensible. 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