Hi Robin, First of all, let’s just wait and see, I highly doubt Apple will totally drop Touch Id even if they have face recognition figured out. We’ll know next Tuesday. As for how a blind person should do this, well, as Alex says, it’s not that difficult to point your phone towards your face from a foot or 2 away. I would say it’s probably a lot easier than to make sure all 4 edges of a page are visible when you want to perform OCR on a document and while KNFB Reader provides feedback, even that is not too hard with a bit of practice without voice guidance. Apart from that, reports say that it will even work with the phone lying on a table pointing straight up and you sitting on a chair in front of the table, let’s not forget that cameras do see more than what is straight in front of them. If you follow the rumours you find out that they are such that Apple is using a special type of camera which can distinguish between a live face and a photo, I think they are talking about infrared or something like that which obviously would then probably sense body heat and more. Rumours also are that using face recognition as Apple has implemented it will be much more secure than Touch Id and even faster. One thing I wonder of course is how Apple might prevent a couple of guys grabbing somebody, taking their phone away from them and simply pointing it to their face which would then unlock it. Of course if any sort of violence or force was used it would also be possible to unlock with Touch Id even against somebody’s consent, if you were twisting and moving your hand so it wouldn’t read all the offenders would have to do is whack you on the head and knock you out, then they can use your fingers all they want and when it comes right down to it I bet most people would happily provide their unlock code if any pain was inflicted. Apparently Apple is building one safeguard into iOS 11 and that is that if you press the home button (or maybe the power button if there is no more home button) I think 5 times quickly Touch Id and Face Recognition will be disabled and you will be required to enter your passcode. This of course can be done in about 2 seconds or so and it definitely is some protection if you think you are in any immediate danger to have your phone taken away.
Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of alex.st...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET Have you ever tried? It’s not that hard. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:21 PM +0100, "Robin" <robin-mel...@comcast.net<mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote: In MyHumble Opinion, the ONLY alternative is to make The Device respond to a Specific Person's Voice & Only their Voice because Facial Recognition may Not be Secure in Terms of Privacy Just Sayin At 09:06 PM 9/6/2017, you wrote: >they would really drop the ball in the area of accessibility if they >did not which brings me to face recognition. they plan to make that >accessible how? > >-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 00:01 >To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest >change - CNET > >I have little doubt that if there is no more physical home button >that Apple will make the alternative virtual home button fully accessible. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of M. Taylor >Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:49 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest >change - CNET > >Hello Larry, > >Many of Androids most popular devices, for many, many years, have >not used a physical Home button. Instead, they use soft, or >on-screen) navigation buttons located on the bottom row of the >display. Unlike the S8 series, however, these navigation buttons >were always available. This is to say, they did not scroll off the display. > >Until the S 8 series, Samsung was the only major brand that used a >physical Home button on all of its Android devices. > >None of my Android phones, with the exception of the S 6, have >physical Home buttons; so I am no stranger to the >technology. However, I strongly believe that because of its >physical Home button, I tended to gravitate towards my S 6 more than >the others. > >Anyway, in the case of the new s 8 series, there is a soft home >button located in the center bottom row of the display. >With the S 8, unfortunately, the Home button can scroll off the >screen. This is kind of a pain, to say the least--especially when >one wishes to quickly return to his/her starting point. > >Apple tends to implement new technology with more flare and >feasibility than its competition. Let's hope it continues that standard. > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin >Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:32 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: RE: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest >change - CNET > >If apple removes the physical home button, how will the blind access it? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >Behalf Of M. Taylor >Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:26 PM >To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >Subject: Goodbye, home button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET > >Hello Everyone, > >I hope you find the following article interesting. > >As for me, I can tell you that I definitely miss a physical Home >button, with integrated Touch ID, on the Samsung Galaxy S 8, so much >so, that I have reverted back to my Galaxy S 6. > >If Apple does remove a bezel-based Home button, I certainly hope >that it comes up with a better design solution than Samsung. > >Mark > >CNET News - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:14 PM Goodbye, home >button? Get ready for iPhone's biggest change - CNET > >What will life be like without one of these? Maybe we already know the answer. >Sarah Tew/CNET >When Apple unveils its new high-end iPhone on Sept. 12, it's widely >expected to do away with the most iconic part of its handset: the >home button. If the rumors are true, the all-screen design of the >so-called iPhone 8 means no room for a bottom bezel, and thus no >room for a physical home button (and its Touch ID fingerprint >sensor). It will be the biggest design change to hit the iPhone in >its 10-plus year history -- a radical change to the most basic usage >element that has existed on the phone since day one. > >A glyph that appears in the HomePod firmware could be the rumored iPhone 8. >MacRumors >Or maybe it won't be that shocking a change at all. >In fact, Apple has been nudging millions of iPhone owners with >changes to homescreen navigation for the past several years. There >are already pieces in place to suggest the transition may not be as >wild and weird as you might expect. Android phones have already done >it, and the iPhone can do it too. >The current iPhone's no-click home button could be training wheels >for how the iPhone 8 will work Here's the funny thing: The iPhone's >home button is already gone. Instead of a physical button, 2016's >iPhone 7 and 7 Plus featured a solid-state panel that used subtle >vibration to simulate a button press. It initially drew mixed >opinions: some felt the click was weird; others liked the haptic >thump. But the point is, I got used to it, and most people I know did, too. >It feels a bit like a real button, but it's not. And maybe that's >how the iPhone 8 display will work, too. >Enhanced vibration (called "Taptic Engine") give the iPhone and >Apple Watch their taps and thumps, and it already does a few things >on the iPhone 6S and later models to feel tactile in iOS 10 (scroll >wheels in settings, or pressing in on app icons). Pressing in on a >part of the screen will probably feel the same as pressing in on the >solid-state home button does now. The bigger problem, of course, >becomes how to relocate that Touch ID fingerprint sensor -- or come >up with a replacement. (More on that below.) Control Center is an >app launcher away from being the home button replacement iPhones >currently stick four apps at the bottom of the home screen, locking >them in place as you swipe to additional pages: useful, but inefficient. >Swiping up for the Control Center usually accomplishes more, getting >to settings and even some app shortcuts fast. Control Center is >getting expanded in iOS 11, where it now offers a single page of >user-configurable widgets and switches. But if that same updated >Control Center page had a mini dock at the bottom for those same >apps -- and/or a virtual home button >-- it would basically be a one-stop shortcut. The problem with >exiling the home button to the dock, though, is that it turns a >single action -- >pressing the handy home button that we have now -- into a two-step process: >swiping first and then clicking the screen. >3D Touch could be better utilized for home screen shortcuts It still >feels like the variable pressure-sensitive 3D Touch technology that >iPhones 6S and later use is way underutilized, to the point where it >feels unnecessary. But what if pressing down on the home screen >opened up sublayers, or app folders beneath? Maybe pressing down on >the bottom of the screen could launch back to the home area, or >Control Center. 3D Touch is there, and it's theoretically >versatile... now Apple just needs to put it to better use. > >One-screen access to everything: is this is the post-home-button home screen? >Sarah Tew/CNET >iOS 11 on the iPad could be a preview of a no-home button iPhone The >iPad has already started exploring new ways of navigation in iOS 11. >(The beta has been out since June, and the final version will likely >be available in mid-September.) The app dock adds a lot of favorite >apps for quick shortcuts, making better use of the iPad's additional >screen real estate. It's not a massive change, but it's better than >what it was in iOS 10, and better than the Touch Bar on recent >MacBook Pros. The swipe-up app dock could be a model for what the >iPhone 8 app area looks like. Maybe something on a smaller scale, >with nested menus? I just want to get to what I need faster. >On an iPad Pro with iOS 11, swiping up brings a dashboard with open >apps, plus Control Center. It's a single place to swap between apps >or adjust settings. Basically, it's a type of Home Screen, buried >beneath the grid of apps that is currently called the Home Screen. >Maybe that's what Apple could do with an iPhone 8 without a home button. >The big question: Will Face ID be a stand-in to Touch ID, or a second option? >Ultimately, there are plenty of workarounds for pulling the home >button, many of which Apple has already laid the groundwork for. But >the bigger question remains: what happens to Touch ID? Reports say >that the top-end iPhone will ditch it. I still find that hard to >believe. Touch ID is still pushing its way through Apple's product >line -- it was added to MacBook Pros in 2016 -- and it's the key to >Apple Pay, which still has a ways to go to gain traction at >retailers in the US. >Why get rid of Touch ID now? I could see facial recognition being a >new, additional unlocking method to live alongside Touch ID, but I >think it might take more time to make it truly seamless. I also >wonder what sorts of accessibility concerns would arise from >removing Touch ID and adding facial recognition instead. For >instance, will banks and other key app vendors who have warmed to >Touch ID be ready to sign off on facial recognition being used to >access financial records? Supposedly, Apple's use of infrared >scanning will allow iPhone unlocks in the dark, and avoid the "hack" >that unlocks Samsung phones with photos of the user. But that's all >theoretical until we see it in action. > >The side-mounted power button of the Sony Xperia Z5 doubles as a >fingerprint reader. >Andrew Hoyle/CNET >Unless Apple's facial recognition cameras on the next iPhone that >are better than I could possibly imagine -- effectively perfect -- I >still think Touch ID needs to exist. 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