All this cane length argument aside, we are wandering off topic some; we were talking about how appropriate new images would be. Since the image described mentioned a short cane, this is normal for a purely symbol cane rather than full mobility device. It is about public perception of what cane means, and subsequently needs. What cane we use and how, is a personal thing. I had a custom one built and wouldn't now use anything else. Be thankful they aren't representing blind using a symbol of those huge black-out glasses that get issued to so many.
JMO, BobH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deidre Muccio" <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a long time now. you don't grasp her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used to using a 3 foot Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the corner long before she needs to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that were measured up to my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On the other hand, too short for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know this, but I also believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would be the right size for her! As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use one. I think that was spelled out in the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it out cause it only brought comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me. Deidre > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will sweep > out the space that you're about to step into. A > shorter cane means that you'd either have to walk slower and take shorter > steps or increase the risk of running into something > since you won't have enough warning to stop. > > > Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but a five > foot long cane, when holding it at an angle, is > hardly going to extend half way down the street. > > > > >> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote: >> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, my cane >> was 3 feet long, and I >> found that, completely adequate. A cane extending to the sternum, and even >> worse, the chin! my >> blood curdles at the very thought! If there is an obstacle to avoid, I >> would rather know about it >> when I am close, not still halfway down the street! >> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, so my >> mobility education was >> with the 3 footer! >> >> Jewel >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Kelly Pierce" <kellyt...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM >> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET >> >> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness >> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American >> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found >> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, who >> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is >> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education and >> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly >> affiliates with AER. The National Federation of the Blind recommends >> that white canes extend past the chin. It is sad Apple has brazenly >> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather >> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The >> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with >> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their >> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have their >> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they >> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates >> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap >> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use >> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to >> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually >> demonstrates safe independent travel. >> >> Kelly >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities >>> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review. >>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT >>> >>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your emojis of >>> men and women jogging and playing sports. >>> >>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for evaluation. >>> Apple/CNET >>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for people >>> with >>> disabilities. 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Diversifying the >>> options available helps fill a significant gap and provides a more >>> inclusive >>> experience for all." >>> >>> You can read the full PDF proposal here. >>> >>> Original Article at: >>> https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-proposes-new-emoji-for-people-with-disabilit >>> ies/#ftag=CAD-09-10aai5b >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>> list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >>> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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