I mean I guess . . . I really can't get all worked up about this. I think I'd be more peeved if they went with the hard-core black aviator sunglasses looking up at the sky with the scrunched up blind person face emoji look. I suppose it's constructive to point out the strap around the wrist thing, but I don't think people actually seriously take emojis as accurate representations. And if they do . . . then they've probably got other issues going on.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, CNET You should ask ACB this question, not me. ACB leadership approved this controversial design. The inclusion of the blind emoji depends whether Apple stands behind its submission or withdraws it and resubmits new emoji. Blind people could also oppose the inclusion of some of the emoji with the standards organization if Apple refuses to withdraw the emoji. If the standards board rejects the proposal, the timeframe is completely uncertain. Kelly On 3/26/18, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected]> wrote: > Which makes me wonder, when will they be available to start using?sa > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel > > El 26/03/2018, a la(s) 8:56 a. m., Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> > escribió: > >> The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and >> their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple >> and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach >> are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a >> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, >> particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I >> completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions >> of blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one >> means of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind. >> >> Kelly >> >> >>> On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever >>> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is >>> not going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just >>> like they would not make the buying decisions based off of other >>> emojys. At least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even >>> if it is in this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's >>> were starting to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind >>> folk that there were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see >>> that Apple have gotten around to it. I still like and will >>> occasionally use the Braille Badges from the American Printing >>> House; these emojys are much more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to >>> use, plus they're free. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>>> On 3/25/18, Jewel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Rob! It is true that I am short, but petite! I, regretably, am not! >>>> >>>> Jewel >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with >>>> disabilities, CNET >>>> >>>> I love this comment. Some of us like petite, me for example. And >>>> to go against my own previous comment, sighted getting caught >>>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage. A >>>> cane can be too long if you cqan't withdraw it in quick manner to >>>> free from such a trap. Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be >>>> pulled to the perpendicular without hitting me under the chin. >>>> Mine is designed to achieve this,... I just hated the RNIB offerings, >>>> which are about the standard >>>> offering the rest are stuck >>>> with. >>>> >>>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I >>>> fell for the bait too. >>>> >>>> BobH. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jewel" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with >>>> disabilities, CNET >>>> >>>> >>>> I * used to be 5 feet: in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch: mustn't >>>> forget that precious 1 inch: >>>> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, >>>> shudder..shudder and perish the thought, am getting shorter. I >>>> swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have to stand on >>>> less and less toe tip to reach shelves. >>>> and Christopher! you don't know how short our streets are! so I >>>> might not have been exaggerating when I wrote of a chin-high long >>>> cane warning me of an obstacle, for instance, an unsuspecting >>>> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself >>>> between his/her ankles, when I, the cane wielder, was still only >>>> halfway down it. >>>> >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Deidre Muccio" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with >>>> disabilities, CNET >>>> >>>> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a >>>> long time now. you don't grasp her usual tongue and cheek or brand >>>> of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel is used to using a 3 foot Kane >>>> then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the >>>> corner long before she needs to turn a corner. I had also >>>> experience the same feeling when I use Kane's that were measured up >>>> to my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot >>>> cane, On the other hand, too short for me and makes me feel like I >>>> am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I know this, but I also >>>> believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would >>>> be the right size for her! >>>> As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to >>>> use one. >>>> I think that was >>>> spelled out in the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced >>>> it out cause it only brought comical images rather than anything >>>> useful to mind for me. >>>> >>>> Deidre >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that >>>>> will sweep out the space that you're about to step into. A shorter >>>>> cane means that you'd either have to walk slower and take shorter >>>>> steps or increase the risk of running into something since you >>>>> won't have enough warning to stop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, >>>>> but a five foot long cane, when holding it at an angle, is hardly >>>>> going to extend half way down the street. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide >>>>>> dog, my cane was 3 feet long, and I found that, completely >>>>>> adequate. A cane extending to the sternum, and even worse, the >>>>>> chin! my blood curdles at the very thought! If there is an >>>>>> obstacle to avoid, I would rather know about it when I am close, >>>>>> not still halfway down the street! >>>>>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long >>>>>> cane, so my mobility education was with the 3 footer! >>>>>> >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with >>>>>> disabilities, CNET >>>>>> >>>>>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness >>>>>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American >>>>>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and >>>>>> found the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind >>>>>> people, who appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the >>>>>> sternum, which is the minimum cane length advocated by the >>>>>> Association for Education and Rehabilitation of the Blind and >>>>>> Visually Impaired. ACB regularly affiliates with AER. The >>>>>> National Federation of the Blind recommends that white canes >>>>>> extend past the chin. It is sad Apple has brazenly picked a >>>>>> political side in the white canes and travel debate rather than >>>>>> develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The >>>>>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes >>>>>> with red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around >>>>>> their wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people >>>>>> have their canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light >>>>>> rail trains, they could be dragged to their deaths when the train >>>>>> rapidly accelerates rather than having the cane just knocked out >>>>>> of their hand if a strap is not wrapped around their wrist. It >>>>>> sets a poor example of cane use to the public and blind people >>>>>> everywhere. I will ask Apple to withdraw its submission and >>>>>> create new emoji that actually demonstrates safe independent >>>>>> travel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kelly >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities The >>>>>>> iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review. >>>>>>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your >>>>>>> emojis of men and women jogging and playing sports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for >>>>>>> evaluation. >>>>>>> Apple/CNET >>>>>>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for >>>>>>> people with disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal >>>>>>> request to Unicode, the consortium that governs the standard >>>>>>> that includes emojis. >>>>>>> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and >>>>>>> touching their ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid >>>>>>> and prosthetic arm. >>>>>>> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are >>>>>>> accessible for all users. 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