You should ask ACB this question, not me. ACB leadership approved this controversial design. The inclusion of the blind emoji depends whether Apple stands behind its submission or withdraws it and resubmits new emoji. Blind people could also oppose the inclusion of some of the emoji with the standards organization if Apple refuses to withdraw the emoji. If the standards board rejects the proposal, the timeframe is completely uncertain.
Kelly On 3/26/18, Gerardo Corripio <[email protected]> wrote: > Which makes me wonder, when will they be available to start using?sa > > Gera > Enviado desde mi iPhone 5S de Telcel > > El 26/03/2018, a la(s) 8:56 a. m., Kelly Pierce <[email protected]> > escribió: > >> The issue is the perception the public has about blind people and >> their independence. It is not about cane purchasing decisions. Apple >> and the ACB are advancing the notion that short canes to the stomach >> are normal and expected along with a cord wrapped tightly around a >> blind person’s wrist. This is not how most blind people travel, >> particularly the most independent and confident travelers. I >> completely disagree with the proposition that inaccurate depictions of >> blind people are better than none at all. Emoji’s are just one means >> of how the public can change its belief on what it means to be blind. >> >> Kelly >> >> >>> On 3/26/18, Wayne Merritt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm glad Apple is going to put some accessibility items in the ever >>> growing emojy category. As stated before, the general populous is not >>> going to make buying decisions based off of cane emojys, just like >>> they would not make the buying decisions based off of other emojys. At >>> least they are recognizing people with disabilities, even if it is in >>> this small way. I recall not too long ago when emoji's were starting >>> to be added at all, hearing concern from some blind folk that there >>> were not any access emoji's. So it's good to see that Apple have >>> gotten around to it. I still like and will occasionally use the >>> Braille Badges from the American Printing House; these emojys are much >>> more than canes and dogs, and are super fun to use, plus they're free. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>>> On 3/25/18, Jewel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Rob! It is true that I am short, but petite! I, regretably, am not! >>>> >>>> Jewel >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "'RobH.' via VIPhone" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:22 AM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, >>>> CNET >>>> >>>> I love this comment. Some of us like petite, me for example. And to >>>> go >>>> against my own previous >>>> comment, sighted getting caught >>>> between their ankles is an absolute classic error they manage. A cane >>>> can >>>> be too long if you cqan't >>>> withdraw it in quick manner to >>>> free from such a trap. Mine is just about Sternum and needs to be >>>> pulled >>>> to >>>> the perpendicular >>>> without hitting me under the chin. >>>> Mine is designed to achieve this,... I just hated the RNIB offerings, >>>> which are about the standard >>>> offering the rest are stuck >>>> with. >>>> >>>> RobH, hopes to get off mobility aids as such, soon now, and sorry I >>>> fell >>>> for >>>> the bait too. >>>> >>>> BobH. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jewel" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, >>>> CNET >>>> >>>> >>>> I * used to be 5 feet: in my younger days, 5 feet 1 inch: mustn't >>>> forget >>>> that precious 1 inch: >>>> but, either everything in my house is growing, or I, shudder..shudder >>>> and >>>> perish the thought, am >>>> getting shorter. I swear that, hardly, a day goes by when I don't have >>>> to >>>> stand on less and less >>>> toe tip to reach shelves. >>>> and Christopher! you don't know how short our streets are! so I might >>>> not >>>> have been exaggerating >>>> when I wrote of a chin-high long cane warning me of an obstacle, for >>>> instance, an unsuspecting >>>> pedestrian who has just found the tip of a cane inserting itself >>>> between >>>> his/her ankles, when I, the >>>> cane wielder, was still only halfway down it. >>>> >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Deidre Muccio" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:06 AM >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, >>>> CNET >>>> >>>> Christopher, Perhaps you have not been following Jewel's post for a >>>> long >>>> time now. you don't grasp >>>> her usual tongue and cheek or brand of Eumar. I would say that If Jewel >>>> is >>>> used to using a 3 foot >>>> Kane then a 5 foot Kane is indeed going to seem like it's turning the >>>> corner >>>> long before she needs >>>> to turn a corner. I had also experience the same feeling when I use >>>> Kane's >>>> that were measured up to >>>> my chin as oppposed to up to my sternum. I find using a 3 foot cane, On >>>> the >>>> other hand, too short >>>> for me and makes me feel like I am pitching forward. I'm not sure how I >>>> know >>>> this, but I also >>>> believe that Jewel is 5 feet tall so maybe a 3 foot long Kane would be >>>> the >>>> right size for her! >>>> As for the emoticon, I'm not sure in what context one would care to use >>>> one. >>>> I think that was >>>> spelled out in the post put out by Apple, but I've already spaced it >>>> out >>>> cause it only brought >>>> comical images rather than anything useful to mind for me. >>>> >>>> Deidre >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, the idea behind the long cane is that you want a cane that will >>>>> sweep out the space that >>>>> you're about to step into. A shorter cane means that you'd either have >>>>> to >>>>> walk slower and take >>>>> shorter steps or increase the risk of running into something since you >>>>> won't have enough warning >>>>> to stop. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obviously, anyone can choose to use any length of cane they want, but >>>>> a >>>>> five foot long cane, when >>>>> holding it at an angle, is hardly going to extend half way down the >>>>> street. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 03/25/2018 04:41 AM, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> On the rare occasions that I went out on the street sans guide dog, >>>>>> my >>>>>> cane was 3 feet long, and >>>>>> I >>>>>> found that, completely adequate. A cane extending to the sternum, >>>>>> and >>>>>> even worse, the chin! my >>>>>> blood curdles at the very thought! If there is an obstacle to avoid, >>>>>> I >>>>>> would rather know about >>>>>> it >>>>>> when I am close, not still halfway down the street! >>>>>> It will be understood that I grew up in the era before the long cane, >>>>>> so >>>>>> my mobility education >>>>>> was >>>>>> with the 3 footer! >>>>>> >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Kelly Pierce" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:54 PM >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities, >>>>>> CNET >>>>>> >>>>>> I became suspicious when I noticed that the only blindness >>>>>> organization consulted by Apple in press reports was the American >>>>>> Council of the Blind. A sighted friend examined the emojis and found >>>>>> the canes appear to only extend to the elbows of the blind people, >>>>>> who >>>>>> appear to be age 12. This cane length is below the sternum, which is >>>>>> the minimum cane length advocated by the Association for Education >>>>>> and >>>>>> Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired. ACB regularly >>>>>> affiliates with AER. The National Federation of the Blind recommends >>>>>> that white canes extend past the chin. It is sad Apple has brazenly >>>>>> picked a political side in the white canes and travel debate rather >>>>>> than develop an image representative of independent blind travel. The >>>>>> blind people in the emoji’s are holding really short white canes with >>>>>> red tips and a black golf grip with the nylon cord around their >>>>>> wrists, which can often be a safety hazard. If blind people have >>>>>> their >>>>>> canes caught in the doors of rapid transit or light rail trains, they >>>>>> could be dragged to their deaths when the train rapidly accelerates >>>>>> rather than having the cane just knocked out of their hand if a strap >>>>>> is not wrapped around their wrist. It sets a poor example of cane use >>>>>> to the public and blind people everywhere. I will ask Apple to >>>>>> withdraw its submission and create new emoji that actually >>>>>> demonstrates safe independent travel. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kelly >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 3/23/18, M. Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Apple proposes new emojis for people with disabilities >>>>>>> The iPhone maker offered up 13 new designs for review. >>>>>>> By Jessica Dolcourt, March 23, 2018 11:54 AM PDT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A wheelchair, a service dog and prosthetic limbs could join your >>>>>>> emojis >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> men and women jogging and playing sports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Three of the 13 new emojis Apple has submitted to Unicode for >>>>>>> evaluation. >>>>>>> Apple/CNET >>>>>>> Apple has proposed 13 new emojis to include more experiences for >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> disabilities. The iPhone-maker submitted its formal request to >>>>>>> Unicode, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> consortium that governs the standard that includes emojis. >>>>>>> The new symbols feature men and women walking with a cane and >>>>>>> touching >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> ear, as well as standalone icons of a hearing aid and prosthetic >>>>>>> arm. >>>>>>> Apple has been making a big push to ensure that its devices are >>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>> for all users. The company's iPhones, Macs and other devices include >>>>>>> plenty >>>>>>> of features that let people with vision, hearing and other >>>>>>> impairments >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> easily use those devices. >>>>>>> In Apple's own words: >>>>>>> "Apple is requesting the addition of emoji to better represent >>>>>>> individuals >>>>>>> with disabilities. 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