Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older phones. Right. Bull nuts.
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit here. > Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need to pick up > these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and test them on > their own devices and then turn around and make this available to the > carriers for them to do something similar. This does take longer, but Google, > the manufacturers and the carriers could all do more to make this process > happen more quickly. Google has helped with Project Treble, where the > hardware enablement piece is separate from the rest of the operating system, > but manufacturers and carriers also add their own skins. Google also makes > the new versions of the operating system available early to the > manufacturers, but Google is also pushing out fixes to this code right up > until it's officially released, causing the manufacturers and carriers to > start over again, although with less and less effort each time. Note that > this is for major versions of Android and not security patches, which get out > to devices much more timely. > > > The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with fragmentation, > ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out to all devices more > quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. Having multiple > manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has it's advantages, > such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater degree of > customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages and > disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have accessible > choices. > > > >> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people who >> buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that maybe the >> fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day 1 of the >> iPhone that they would have control over updates and they completely cut >> carriers out from that. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> lenron brown >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes >> >> Everyone knows that android takes a bit longer to get updates. >> Considering the fact that there are many different makers of devices >> and stuff. Apple is one company remember? Anyways I am sure many will >> be ok with just audio calls. >> >>> On 10/28/18, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Major Jan. I thought apple said at the beginning that this feature wouldn’t >>> be available for all of the phones that could run the OS. Where is Forbes >>> magazine when it comes to the fact that after three months, the latest >>> android system doesn’t even make the graph of Andrea installs according to >>> Andrea police? I guess that’s not a calamity. The fact that an android >>> system several years old has more install base then the latest and greatest >>> after three months isn’t a calamity. Forbes just isn’t worth posting >>> anywhere. They don’t like apple and that’s fine. But who cares? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:34 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise >>>> By Gordon Kelly7:20 pm >>>> >>>> While iOS 12 was filled with great secret features, it also contained >>>> some >>>> significant bugs - including a particularly embarrassing one which >>>> carried >>>> over to iOS 12.0.1. Now Apple has its first major update ready - iOS 12.1 >>>> - >>>> but a nasty surprise hides behind its biggest new feature. >>>> Apple iOS 12.1 brings the highly anticipated launch of Group FaceTime >>>> video >>>> calls. Initially promised for iOS 12, the feature was pushed back to this >>>> release. But Apple's small print reveals the sad reality is millions of >>>> iPhone and iPad owners will never be able to use it. >>>> >>>> Apple iOS 12Apple >>>> Spotted by 9to5Mac, Apple's user guide for iOS 12.1 states that Group >>>> FaceTime will not be coming to many iOS 12-compatible iPhones and iPads. >>>> Missing out are the iPhone 5S, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPad Air, iPad >>>> Mini >>>> 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Mini 4 and 6th generation iPod Touch. >>>> Yes, that's a lot of excluded devices. But why? >>>> Apple doesn't spell it out, but the answer appears to be performance. >>>> Group >>>> FaceTime video calls are processor intensive and no devices running an A8 >>>> chipset or earlier are compatible. The A8X chipset on the iPad Air 2, >>>> however, just scrapes in. Notably, the A9-powered iPhone SE also works >>>> fine. >>>> >>>> But there is some compensation. >>>> >>>> Group FaceTime in iOS 12.1 has limited iPhone and iPad supportApple >>>> Apple has confirmed iPhone 5S, iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus owners will get >>>> support for audio-only Group FaceTime calls. Calling this 'FaceTime' >>>> without >>>> any faces is probably a stretch, but it's better than nothing. >>>> That said, I expect there will be a lot of angry iPhone and iPad users >>>> feeling shortchanged once Apple releases iOS 12.1 (expected next week). >>>> There will also be blowback since Apple hasn't widely notified users >>>> that, >>>> even if they have a compatible iPhone or iPad, Group FaceTime will be >>>> geographically limited at launch. No details are known at this time, but >>>> Apple should reveal the rollout at its upcoming iPad event. >>>> In the company's defence, Apple's long-term support for its devices is >>>> unparalleled. But excluding all these models from Group FaceTime video >>>> calls >>>> (when surely lower resolution calls were an option) seems to be a hint >>>> Apple >>>> would like owners of these older iPhones and iPads to upgrade. >>>> Certainly, on the face of it, the iPhone XR may need a little help. >>>> >>>> Original Article at: >>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/10/27/apple-ios-12-1-release-g >>>> roup-facetime-iphone-ipad-upgrade/#216ce6ac5f8a >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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