Ed, I think Mary sometimes does what we all do, we comment on something without having first hand knowledge or experience and later on when we do have such first hand knowledge or experience we suddenly realize that what we said was incorrect. Maybe Mary should have qualified her comment about Face Id working very well by saying that even though she previously was negative about it, her own experience now has prooven her wrong, but then again, who wants to be wrong?
-----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes And let's not forget that almost every person and organisation shows a preference for one thing or another. Maybe Forbs is more critical of Apple than of Google, but have you ever listened to the Today in iOS Podcast? Many really like Rob's iOS/Apple Podcasts and he sometimes says something critical of Apple, but he usually bashes Android and Samsung completely and at times his jabs are simply boring. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 10:09 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes They have also talked bad about android as well so i don't see what the big deal is. If apple sucks sometimes it sucks. It's okay it won't stop you from using an IPhone. On 10/28/18, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > I totally agree. My problem is with the publication. Forbs has been for > sometime now very critical available. That is their right. But they are not > equally critical of Google. That’s the problem I have. Plus, if you have an > iPhone that is three years old and you can use the very latest features, all > of them, try that with android and see how far you get. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: >> >> Mary, >> >> New versions of iOS often did not offer the full feature set to older >> devices and in some cases if hardware constraints make this impossible >> then that is just how it is. If Apple decides to do this deliberately then >> it's a different story, but if that is what they do then that is what they >> do. It is their hardware and while you bought it it's definitely their >> software which they make available for free and under their license terms >> so they can do what they want. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:18 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes >> >> Yes. Sure. So it’s OK for phones to be issued now that have last year‘s >> operating system and that’s no big deal. But it’s a problem when Apple’s >> newest operating system doesn’t have every feature available to older >> phones. Right. Bull nuts. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The carriers are in the loop, but they're by no means the only culprit >>> here. Google pushes out new versions of Android, the manufacturers need >>> to pick up these new versions and fold them into their own code bases and >>> test them on their own devices and then turn around and make this >>> available to the carriers for them to do something similar. This does >>> take longer, but Google, the manufacturers and the carriers could all do >>> more to make this process happen more quickly. Google has helped with >>> Project Treble, where the hardware enablement piece is separate from the >>> rest of the operating system, but manufacturers and carriers also add >>> their own skins. Google also makes the new versions of the operating >>> system available early to the manufacturers, but Google is also pushing >>> out fixes to this code right up until it's officially released, causing >>> the manufacturers and carriers to start over again, although with less >>> and less effort each time. Note that this is for major versions of >>> Android and not security patches, which get out to devices much more >>> timely. >>> >>> >>> The entire Android ecosystem needs to address the issue with >>> fragmentation, ongoing support of older devices and getting updates out >>> to all devices more quickly. Fragmentation is a two edged sword though. >>> Having multiple manufacturers involved and a more open ecosystem does has >>> it's advantages, such as cheaper devices, more form factors and a greater >>> degree of customization. IMHO, each ecosystem has their own advantages >>> and disadvantages, and it's good that as blind consumers, we have >>> accessible choices. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10/28/18 10:54 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>> Not sure if it's so much that Android takes longer, in many cases people >>>> who buy an Android device never get updates but to a large degree that >>>> maybe the fault of the carriers. Apple has made it a condition from day >>>> 1 of the iPhone that they would have control over updates and they >>>> completely cut carriers out from that. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf >>>> Of lenron brown >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:18 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise, Forbes >>>> >>>> Everyone knows that android takes a bit longer to get updates. >>>> Considering the fact that there are many different makers of devices >>>> and stuff. Apple is one company remember? Anyways I am sure many will >>>> be ok with just audio calls. >>>> >>>>> On 10/28/18, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Major Jan. I thought apple said at the beginning that this feature >>>>> wouldn’t be available for all of the phones that could run the OS. >>>>> Where is Forbes magazine when it comes to the fact that after three >>>>> months, the latest android system doesn’t even make the graph of >>>>> Andrea installs according to Andrea police? I guess that’s not a >>>>> calamity. The fact that an android system several years old has more >>>>> install base then the latest and greatest after three months isn’t a >>>>> calamity. Forbes just isn’t worth posting anywhere. They don’t like >>>>> apple and that’s fine. But who cares? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:34 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple iOS 12.1 Release Has A Nasty Surprise By Gordon Kelly7:20 pm >>>>>> >>>>>> While iOS 12 was filled with great secret features, it also >>>>>> contained some significant bugs - including a particularly >>>>>> embarrassing one which carried over to iOS 12.0.1. Now Apple has >>>>>> its first major update ready - iOS 12.1 >>>>>> - >>>>>> but a nasty surprise hides behind its biggest new feature. >>>>>> Apple iOS 12.1 brings the highly anticipated launch of Group >>>>>> FaceTime video calls. Initially promised for iOS 12, the feature >>>>>> was pushed back to this release. But Apple's small print reveals >>>>>> the sad reality is millions of iPhone and iPad owners will never be >>>>>> able to use it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple iOS 12Apple >>>>>> Spotted by 9to5Mac, Apple's user guide for iOS 12.1 states that >>>>>> Group FaceTime will not be coming to many iOS 12-compatible iPhones >>>>>> and iPads. >>>>>> Missing out are the iPhone 5S, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPad Air, >>>>>> iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Mini 4 and 6th generation iPod >>>>>> Touch. >>>>>> Yes, that's a lot of excluded devices. But why? >>>>>> Apple doesn't spell it out, but the answer appears to be performance. >>>>>> Group >>>>>> FaceTime video calls are processor intensive and no devices running >>>>>> an A8 chipset or earlier are compatible. The A8X chipset on the >>>>>> iPad Air 2, however, just scrapes in. Notably, the A9-powered >>>>>> iPhone SE also works fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> But there is some compensation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Group FaceTime in iOS 12.1 has limited iPhone and iPad supportApple >>>>>> Apple has confirmed iPhone 5S, iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus owners >>>>>> will get support for audio-only Group FaceTime calls. Calling this >>>>>> 'FaceTime' >>>>>> without >>>>>> any faces is probably a stretch, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>> That said, I expect there will be a lot of angry iPhone and iPad >>>>>> users feeling shortchanged once Apple releases iOS 12.1 (expected next >>>>>> week). >>>>>> There will also be blowback since Apple hasn't widely notified >>>>>> users that, even if they have a compatible iPhone or iPad, Group >>>>>> FaceTime will be geographically limited at launch. No details are >>>>>> known at this time, but Apple should reveal the rollout at its >>>>>> upcoming iPad event. >>>>>> In the company's defence, Apple's long-term support for its devices >>>>>> is unparalleled. But excluding all these models from Group FaceTime >>>>>> video calls (when surely lower resolution calls were an option) >>>>>> seems to be a hint Apple would like owners of these older iPhones >>>>>> and iPads to upgrade. >>>>>> Certainly, on the face of it, the iPhone XR may need a little help. >>>>>> >>>>>> Original Article at: >>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/10/27/apple-ios-12-1- >>>>>> release-g roup-facetime-iphone-ipad-upgrade/#216ce6ac5f8a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>>>> iPhone list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>>>>> list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>>>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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