The problem I have with this whole thing is that a few people have reported that they had their devices set not to install any betas, any updates. And despite having done that, they got it anyway. That is on Apple. It’s bad enough they decided it was OK to release a beta that doesn’t support voiceover. Surely they could’ve fix that before releasing it? But having not done so, having people having their devices set not to download and having the stupid thing install anyway? That’s on Apple. Shame on Apple!
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > And finally someone with some sense > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Peter > Logan > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2020 1:01 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > Can't agree more .. I also installed the beta .. without reading the release > notes .. so it's on me .. not Apple .. and I will wait for it to get fixed > .. I'm not going to scream and holler at Apple for my stupidity .. Everyone > needs to just relax .. Until this go around .. there wasn't even a Watch > beta .. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Donna > Casteen > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 2:17 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Pétition · Apple: Apple, commit to never again willfully > excluding disabled people from public betas · Change.org > > I can't believe such a petition was started!!🙄🤦🏻♀️ This petition was started > because an Apple watch user went against Apple's WARNING to NEVER install > beta versions of IOS on ANY Appple device that is YOUR main device! Of > course, this person just HAD to have the beta update & installed the beta > version on their Apple watch that they RELY on & USE daily! Beta versions of > any program WILL have bugs. The fact that Apple is a company that stands > behind their products making them accessible for the blind & those with other > disabilities, does NOT exclude Apple's beta versions of IOS from having bugs. > Nor does this bug prevent those who are blind taking part in the public beta > testing process. Apple was FULLY aware of the voiceover bug Associated with > ALL Apple watches. And fully WARNED voiceover users with Apple watches of the > bug. Apple also informed voiceover users that they were working on fixing the > voiceover bug, so that voiceover users could participate in the public beta > testing program. Placing the blame on Apple & criticizing Apple for a problem > that they were working toward fixing, is wrong. The Blame solely lies with > Apple watch user(s), who in their poor judgement decided to install the > public beta on a device, in which is used daily. > > It is very important that blind iDevice users participate in Apple's beta > testing program, otherwise voiceover or low vision features of the iDevices > would always have major bugs, making the iDevices unusable. Apple is a large > company. The population that is blind & who use Apple products is very small. > If this type of placing blame where it is obvious it does not belong & > publically criticizing Apple for something that at the time was out of their > control, but Apple was working toward fixing: Apple is in the end going to do > 1 of 2 things 1. No longer let blind users participate in the beta testing > process. Apple can do this by stopping all public beta testing. 2. Apple > throws in the towel, giving up on trying to make their products accessible > for such a small population of people. 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