Hi Sieghard, It's nice to hear from you. Sounds like you and your wife are doing well, I certainly hope so. You make some really good points about the iPhone 11. We are going to the Apple Store tomorrow, so we will see. I really don't understand why Apple no longer sells the Pro model, or why they don't make an 11 with 128 GB storage. When we purchased our 8 Plus models, we sprang for 256 GB, even though we knew we would never use that much. But at that time, Apple gave you more for your phone depending on the storage, so I figured we would get money back for both of us. Surprise, surprise. The 8 Plus models will get us $210 US regardless of the storage. My point here is that we all will make decisions based on two or three years down the road, and the rules will likely change by then. I can get by with a 64 GB model, my wife will wish the extra storage with a variety of photos and videos she gets. That's what happened with grandchildren! You have given me more to consider before We arrive at the store. Best Regards,
Les -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? Hi Les, Probably a wise choice not to pay top Dollar to get the iPhone 12, I think anybody who has anything from a 10 up is wasting their money. One thing, however, if I were to consider an upgrade I would certainly look at last year's iPhone 11 instead of the XR from 2 years ago. My wife and I hadn't planned to upgrade either this year and keep our iPhone 8 which we got 2 years ago. However, we had 64 Gb models and while I only use about half of that space, my wife likes to keep lots of photos and videos on her phone and hers was full. Then our provider here in Canada came out with a pretty good deal, I could get an iPhone 11 64 Gb for $33/month over 2 years with $0 up front, that is $792 Canadian which works out to less than $600 US, not a super deal, but also not too bad so we went for it. Unfortunately they only offered the 11 with 64 Gb and since my wife likes smaller phones anyways we went with an iPhone 11 Pro for her with 256 Gb storage which cost the same $33 a month over 2 years + a downpayment of a few hundred Bucks, can't remember exactly how much, but again in the end a few hundred cheaper than if we had bought one outright. It seems that there is only a $100 or so difference between the XR and 11 and for that I think the 11 is a better choice, if you do want to sell it or trade it in in 2 or 3 years you probably make that extra $100 back in resale value. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? Hi Mary, Alan and Interested Others, Well, Verizon will not take advantage of us. My wife and I will be getting iPhone 10R models. I know I can learn to use Face ID, and now is a good time to learn. I figure it will be a long time before we see 5G in our area. If I am mistaken and it happens within two years or so, we can upgrade if we wish. In the meantime, with the money we will save, my wife can upgrade her iPad if she wishes to do so. I appreciate all of the discussion on various iPhome models. It really helped me make a decision for myself and the recommendation I offered my wife. Best Regards, Les -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series?? I am with you on 5G, Les and Alan. I think it’s a bunch of height, especially Verizon and their MM wave which is vanishingly difficult to actually connect to. So they’re ripping you off yet again. It’s interesting that both they and AT&T are giving a little subsidy on the iPhone. They must be desperate. I think the SE2 could be very compelling. That’s especially if you like a home button. I’m sticking with my 10 R. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Alan, > I am also with you and Richard. I will share my experience in the hopes it > will help others. I have been a Verizon customer for many years. As a result, > I am on a Loyalty Plan for individuals 55 and older. I was seriously > considering the iPhone 12 Mini and had a lengthy conversation with a Verizon > rep. Then I asked about how this would affect our plan. I learned that if I > purchased a 5G capable phone, I would have to switch to a 5g plan. Our bill > would go up by $54 per month. It gets worse. I live in a town which does not > have 5G yet. No way to tell when that might come here. So I would be paying > an extra $54 per month for a service I cannot use. Guess what I'm doing? I'm > now looking at either the SEor the iPhone 11 pro. I would welcome any > comments pro or con about either phone. For me, 5G is out. Even if it were > available, I don't think it's worth an extra $54 per month. Now, this could > change, but it does not matter to me at this point. > Best Regards, > > Les > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Alan Lemly > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 4:43 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? > > I'm with Richard here. Be aware that all the hoopla about 5G will require use > of cellular data and I suspect that at some point, carriers will be charging > accordingly to recover whatever hardware they've priced low to get you into > their fold. I still intend to primarily use wifi since I'm using my iPhone at > home most of the time and don't intend to increase the capacity of my > cellular plan whether using 4G or 5G. > > Alan Lemly > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Richard Turner > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:48 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Review iPhone 12 series?? > > I usually follow the motto that if it looks too good to be true, it probably > is. > What kind of contract commitments do they want with these amazing pricings? > > If it locks you into a 2 year contract at a given level, I'd make sure I > understand the possible down sides. > If it is right for a person, then that's great! > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must > pass himself, and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of > ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have > regretted not granting grace to others, I ve never once regretted > extending it.)" - Edward Herbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Wayne Merritt > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 6:45 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Review iPhone 12 series?? > > For those looking to upgrade to the new phones, I found some aggressive > pricing from AT&T and Verizon mentioned in the Apple Store app, like an $800 > credit from AT&T. They really want to get everyone on 5G, and same from > Verizon it looks like. I wasn't planning on getting one, but this may change > my mind. I've never heard of major carriers practically giving away the new > iPhone before. > > Best, > Wayne Merritt > >> On 10/13/20, Kelly Pierce <kellyt...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I always go for the iPhone with the latest processor so I have the >> maximum available iOS updates. I like the possibility of wireless >> charging. If I git a 12 it will be the mini. I like a smaller size >> for easy one-handed use, and I have no need for the camera system on >> the pro. >> >>> On 10/13/20, Darshan Beniwal <darshanbeniwa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi iPhone fans >>> >>> How did you find iPhone 12 series? Any recommendation or suggestion >>> about that. I'm planning to buy new iPhone. Is it a good choice to >>> buy iPhone >>> 12 >>> or shall I go for its down versions? >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>> iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>> list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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