I'm sorry, I was thinking of voice command. Oh yes, you do use VoiceOver to 
enter a passcode. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 3:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

                Ok well how do you know where you are on the screen then 
without voiceover? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I have no idea how one could enter a passcode with VoiceOver; I, for one, would 
not want to do that. 

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Star Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 12:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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                        How exactly do you enter in a passcode using voiceover? 
I've never been able to do that to unlock my phone. Any ideas? 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 11:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Face recognition

Definitely, I am glad to have both, since myh passcode is six digits. 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 10:51 AM
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You really are making your life difficult if you want to enter a passcode even 
if it's just 4 digits every time you want to unlock your iPhone. Face Id works 
so well and reliably and I'm sure you can get somebody to help you set it up.
As far as the clock instructions are concerned, are you not able to imagine a 
clock face, e.g. a circle where 12 O'clock is at the top, 6 O'clock is at the 
bottom, 3 o'clock is on the right side (between 12 and 6) and 9 o'clock is on 
the left side?
You could also use the analogy of a 2-dimensional Globe/representation of the 
Earth with the cardinal directions North (up) East (to the right), South (down) 
and West (to the left).
All you have to do when you set up Face Id, this is a one-time process, is to 
hold the phone straight in front of your face, then when prompted look a bit to 
the right, then down, then left and back up. Like I said, I'm sure somebody 
could help you with it and once it's done turn off attention mode which for 
some blind people is better if they can't really focus on the screen and you 
are good to go.


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Hendrickson
Sent: September 21, 2021 5:28 PM
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If I get an iPhone with face ID, I won't use it.  I'll use my passcode instead. 
 I didn't know that you had a choice between face ID and your passcode when 
using a newer iPhone.  If I would have known this a couple years ago, then I 
would have gotten a newer iPhone then the 8.
I don't get that whole clock thing about 3:00 and 6:00 when setting up face ID.

On 9/21/21, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> A foot is actually a bit close, better to hold it almost at arm's length.
>
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: September 21, 2021 2:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Face recognition
>
> Kay, I took my 11 outside in the afternoon, on the west side of our 
> apartment. You need to hold the phone out about a foot from your face.
> The phone will tell you the prompts, like turn your head slightly to 
> the left; turn your head slightly to the right; and so forth. The guy 
> at Wal-Mart couldn't get my facial ID, but I was able to do it myself.
> If I can, probably most, if not all, iPhone users can.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 4:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Face recognition
>
> I am still working with setting my new iPhone Mini.  Before I jump in 
> to this, How does one set up face recognition?  Do I need sighted 
> help?  What should I expect?  Thanks much for any input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
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>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
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