Yes, attention settings are off. Thanks for the suggestion. Les > On Oct 5, 2021, at 1:35 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: > > And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off > attention? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Les > Kriegler > Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 > > Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat > categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID > does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I > can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. > Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement > that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss >> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just >> like it, that's all. I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have >> the latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8. With that being said, I >> do like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder >> to use for a person who's blind. I ask because the nature of my eye >> conditions makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd >> cause a problem with facial recognition. >> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and >> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it. >> Johna >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Alex Stone >> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >> >> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though >> the lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button >>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For >>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my >>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the >>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an >>> app and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the >>> app switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken >>> care of by triple pressing the side button. >>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the >>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen >>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of >>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app >>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, >>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear >>> gloves or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only >>> a very small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power >>> tools, but I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do >>> a lot of manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times >>> like for my brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a >>> mechanic and either wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. >>> I somehow doubt Apple will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if >>> they can implement a Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better >>> under-glass Touch Id then people have the best of both worlds. I think a >>> phone which you drag around everywhere would be better with under-glass >>> Touch Id because I could see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of Johna Gravitt >>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >>> >>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home >>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO >>> users? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >>> >>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I >>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that >>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple >>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also >>> be a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include >>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but >>> they were also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print >>> scanner. It'll be interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in >>> the future. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (AKA CJ) >>> Chaltain at Outlook >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>> Of Ed Worrell >>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM >>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >>> >>> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones >>> going forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every >>> release. >>> >>> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively >>> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they >>> haven't found the technology to work up to their standards. >>> >>> Just my two cents on the topic. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release >>>> >>>> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release >>>> of the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024 >>>> >>>> Me, >>>> Don't care >>>> I just know it will get here when it gets here. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >>>> >>>> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or >>>> incorporate a Touch Id side button?? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf >>>> Of Kelly Pierce >>>> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14 >>>> >>>> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the >>>> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening. >>>> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it >>>> goes away. 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