Yeah I do,

I've never been able to get it to work properly,

I'm going to update / grade my watch in a week or so when the series 7 comes 
out,

 Then I'll try it again.

I probably missed a step in the setup process.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 9:45 pm
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Simon, thought you had an Apple Watch? You can set it up so your iPhone unlocks 
with a mask on as long as you are wearing your Apple Watch. Only time this 
doesn't work is to authenticate an Apple Pay purchase, but then again you could 
simply use the watch in the first place for the purchase and then as long as 
your watch is on your wrist and unlocked it will work.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: October 4, 2021 11:38 PM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Yeah I couldn't go back to touch id,

The face id of my 11 pro max is great and just as quick if not quicker for me 
than touch,

Unless I'm wearing a mask.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 6:36 pm
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

And for me it's the opposite, Face Id is more reliable. Les, did you turn off 
attention?

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: October 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14

Well, I have been using Face ID for close to a year. I can state one fat 
categorically. Touch ID worked essentially 100% of the time for me. Face ID 
does not. It works the majority of the time, but certainly not always. Wow I 
can live with Face ID, I do hope that Apple comes out with a touch ID option. 
Even if it’s not an actual button, I would still like to see them implement 
that. If they don’t, I can live with it, however.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Johna Gravitt <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Just so I'm clear, I'm by no means saying that just because I miss 
> the home button doesn't mean I couldn't operate a phone without one, I just 
> like it, that's all.  I have not used a phone with face ID yet, as I have the 
> latest SE Version that I upgraded to from my 8.  With that being said, I do 
> like the touch ID and was just posing the question if face ID is harder to 
> use for a person who's blind.  I ask because the nature of my eye conditions 
> makes my eyes move on their own and I was wondering if that'd cause a problem 
> with facial recognition.
> I would however miss not being able to just touch my phone to unlock it and 
> always having to pick it up and put it in front of my face to unlock it.
> Johna
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Alex Stone
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
> 
> Sieghart, I completely agree. How some blind i or Vi people act as though the 
> lack of a home makes the entire device completely inaccessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2021, at 19:28, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I think almost all visually impaired users find the lack of a home button 
>> to be not a big deal once you get used to the swipe up from the bottom. For 
>> me it's at a point where I always try to swipe up on the iPad we have at my 
>> store before I remember "Oh, this has a home button". I mean what does the 
>> home button really do? Just 2 things, you press it once to get out of an app 
>> and go to the home screen and second you press it twice to bring up the app 
>> switcher. The triple press to start or stop Voiceover is already taken care 
>> of by triple pressing the side button.
>> As for the single and double press, instead of putting your finger on the 
>> home button and pressing it you put your finger on the bottom of the screen 
>> where you would put it anyways if you had a home button and you do a bit of 
>> a swipe up or a bit more of a swipe up if you want to bring up the app 
>> switcher. I honestly find it easier and when it come sto Touch Id, well, 
>> Face Id works actually better for me because I can use it when I wear gloves 
>> or when my fingers are messed up from woodworking. Yes, I know only a very 
>> small percentage of blind people use a table saw and other power tools, but 
>> I know a lot of sighted people who are in the same boat, they do a lot of 
>> manual work and Touch Id doesn't work for them 9 out of 10 times like for my 
>> brother who is a Rancher, a good friend of mine who is a mechanic and either 
>> wears gloves or his hands are full of oil and grease.. I somehow doubt Apple 
>> will once again replace Face Id with Touch Id and if they can implement a 
>> Touch Id home button like on some iPads or even better under-glass Touch Id 
>> then people have the best of both worlds. I think a phone which you drag 
>> around everywhere would be better with under-glass Touch Id because I could 
>> see where a Touch Id home button could get damaged.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>> Of Johna Gravitt
>> Sent: October 4, 2021 10:54 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I'm personally still bothered by the fact that they got rid of the home 
>> button If they get rid of touch id wouldn't that make it harder for VO users?
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>> Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:49 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> Well, there's also customer demand. I know if all things were equal, and I 
>> had the option to have touch ID included, then I'd go with the phone that 
>> offered me touch ID. I don't know if the demand is strong enough for Apple 
>> to consider this, or if Apple would even take this into account. I'd also be 
>> a little skeptical about reading Apple's reasons why they don't include 
>> touch ID. Sure, it may be because they think face ID is more secure, but 
>> they were also able to get rid of the home button and a finger print 
>> scanner. It'll be interesting to see if they consider in screen touch ID in 
>> the future.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>> Of Ed Worrell
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 9:22 AM
>> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>> 
>> I really don't think Apple is going to utilize Touch ID in the iPhones going 
>> forward. Face ID works beautifully and it gets better with every release. 
>> 
>> Apple keeps updating patents for Touch ID which means they're actively 
>> working on it, but this also means if they keep updating the patents they 
>> haven't found the technology to work up to their standards.
>> 
>> Just my two cents on the topic.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 24, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was mentioned in a mac rumours release
>>> 
>>> They believe the under screen touch id will be in the 2023 release 
>>> of the iPhone and a folding iPhone in 2024
>>> 
>>> Me,
>>> Don't care
>>> I just know it will get here when it gets here.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2021 5:13 am
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: RE: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>> 
>>> Why are you so sure the iPhone 14 won't have under-glass Touch Id or 
>>> incorporate a Touch Id side button??
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf 
>>> Of Kelly Pierce
>>> Sent: September 23, 2021 7:16 PM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>> 
>>> Links worked fine. My comment was for those holding their breath for the 
>>> iPhone 14. Their beloved fingerprint reader will not be happening.
>>> For those of us who crave small phones, jump on the iPhone 13 before it 
>>> goes away.  It's double the storage of last year's 12 for the same price.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/23/21, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Kelly,
>>>> Are you sending this to show that the links broke up on you?
>>>> The links worked fine for me in Outlook on my computer.
>>>> Are you set to read HTML eemails?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
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>>>> - Jane Wagner
>>>> 
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 4:21 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: This is why you should wait for the iPhone 14
>>>> 
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