Yes, you do pay for that plan. So, when I contact AT&T, I am going to see what 
they offer me, and then turn in my 11 and charge the price on my Visa card, 
like where they charge my bill. 

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the 
most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that 
discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure 
you know the details.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT&T can give me 
> a trade up. 
> 
> I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I 
> am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
> much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, 
> my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do 
> want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, 
> but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what 
> color things were. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 
> 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
> under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From 
> Mich.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I 
> think a lot of people won't upgrade.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
> an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the 
> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from 
> last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now 
> has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one 
> good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a 
> good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
> I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
> recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
> able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
> Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into 
> good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really 
> want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various 
> apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for 
> the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 
> 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.
> 
> I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have 
> upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I 
> would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. 
> This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to 
> keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay 
> $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in 
> Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or 
> $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give 
> me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could 
> easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately.
> So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
> Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon 
> find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black 
> Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get 
> an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a 
> slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its 
> charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external 
> batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it 
> snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but 
> I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available they 
> may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of 
> points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy 
> gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure that 
> if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 
> incentive to get a 14.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.
> 
> One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention 
> anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is 
> apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was 
> focused on hardware, not software.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 🦅
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in 
> apple’s presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me 
> to upgrade would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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