Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
Chris Judge -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do. Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision. Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me. It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least. I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my phone?" Wow! I just don't like Face ID!!!!! Mark -----Original Message----- From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <vipho...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Donna Casteen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM To: vipho...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure. Donna > > I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, > and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch > ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more > convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to > put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature > without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to > learn something new. > > -- > Christopher (AKA CJ) > Chaltain at Outlook > > -----Original Message----- > From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <vipho...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary > Otten > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM > To: vipho...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? > > I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face > ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and > Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. > And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the > 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think > it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do > those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the > top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big > of a deal. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> Hello Dennis and Everyone, >> >> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment. >> >> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at >> worst, with iPhone release this time around. >> >> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen. >> >> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T >> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account >> settings when eSim is activated. This is according to several articles I've >> read, recently. >> >> I just don't know, I just don't know. >> >> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely >> going to miss Touch ID. >> >> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first >> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the >> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to >> iPhone 14. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Dennis Long >> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing. Hopefully they >> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC >> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this >> year I think a lot of people won't upgrade. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Sieghard Weitzel >> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR. >> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade >> from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14. >> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the >> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from >> last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now >> has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be >> one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and >> a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it. >> I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, >> recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be >> able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 >> Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into >> good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you >> really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in >> various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good >> reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 >> Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. >> >> I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have >> upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I >> would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. >> This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to >> keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay >> $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in >> Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or >> $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give >> me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could >> easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately. >> So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and >> 14 Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may >> soon find stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and >> Black Friday is only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted >> to get an iPhone 14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging >> where a slight bump or pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from >> its charging position on the wireless charging pad and you can get external >> batteries like that new Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it >> snaps onto the back of the phone without covering the camera opening, but >> I'll just wait a bit longer. Once the new phones are regularly available >> they may even be sold by my credit card rewards program and I have plenty of >> points and if not then I know for sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best >> Buy gift cards which I could order and then use to buy one. I know for sure >> that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have >> 0 incentive to get a 14. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models. >> >> One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't >> mention anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is >> apparently coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was >> focused on hardware, not software. >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of >> thought which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard >> >> My web site: >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cec9ec4fa77eb4872341508da94273b0a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637985193460891317%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vh8WsywnziXIPzPVVi9Hy3ZIlZ9gHkP5jnHRItp6JGw%3D&reserved=0 >> 🦅 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Cris >> Ali >> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? >> >> the subject heading says it all. 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