Hello Karen, I had this same issue on an iPhone10r and I did try using an external braille display (Focus 14 Blue) in my case to try and enter the passcode to unlock the phone. I was not able to do this and I had to enter the passcode without sighted help using just the touch screen. I also tried using Be My Eyes on a second phone without any luck. What we found was that the screen would lock too quickly for them to try and read the numbers on it to allow me to enter my passcode so I finally was able to do this on my own. I have refrained from rebooting the phone ever since.
On 9/19/22, Karen Poulakos <ka...@poulakos.com> wrote: > Has anyone tried using an external braille display, like the Orbit Reader 20 > Plus, to get the phone up and running without Voiceover? I haven't turned > my phone off since updating, but am almost afraid to after hearing from so > many who have had this problem. > > My phone is an SE 2022. I tried several voices, and went back to Samantha. > > Karen P > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Carolyn > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > I could not use Rotor or keypad without Voiceover. So, if Voiceover does not > work, my phone is as good as a piece of garbage to me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 1:58 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > Just FYI, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected to your phone you can > enter your PIN on it and using the numbers row on a keyboard or a NumPad if > you have something like a Logitech K780 should be a lot easier and > successful than trying to tap the right numbers on the touchscreen without > feedback. > > Alternatively if you have handwriting added to your rotor and know how to > enter handwriting you can enter your PIN this way, but again it's probably > hit and miss without feedback. I just tried it for the first time in a long > time and for some reason when I turn the rotor to the right which does bring > up handwriting on the lock screen it defaults to lower case and I have to > swipe down twice with 3 fingers to get to numbers, then I can write my PIN > numbers on the screen and the phone unlocks. > > I will write to Apple Accessibility because I think by default if you have a > number field only like with the PIN entry field it would be nice if once you > turned the rotor to handwriting it would automatically default to numbers > entry. > > > > > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Vicky > Collins > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:20 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > > > I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, > but I haven�t had the problem with either phone since. I�m using the default > Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. > > > > With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread > message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my > phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message > forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don�t read the > text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on > the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven�t read the > message. > > > > Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak > or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using > headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side > button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally > got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the > side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to > unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the > correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the > passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting > to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering > that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the > opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. > > > > As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 > Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had > permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn�t recover it on > the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn�t nearly as fortunate with > recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on > the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock > position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, > figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. > > > > I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but > when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be > disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn�t connect > the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the > accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB > accessories setting that would�ve let USB accessories connect after the > phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn�t turn the phone off as I > normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then > pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to > turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume > buttons as I didn�t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn�t able to > put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn�t work, > I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn�t working and each would > ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would > occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call > connected. > > > > Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn�t going to knock > on a neighbor�s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on > my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again > restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows > > > > From: Arnold Schmidt <mailto:als5...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot > > > > I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as > described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver > would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor > doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard > when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had > been turned off. He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code > before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he > tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it > out there for others to test. 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