I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion is such an outlier now lol.
Grant Hardy On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long <[email protected]> wrote: > I think we have a fighting. Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected > voice. When he mobilizes the community look out. Apple will get a > number of complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble > unless they release a old version with the current functionality. Sure > new voices they don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle > support or anything else they might add. They do have to give us what we > paid for. > > > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of > *Grant Hardy > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader > > > > They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly > state to not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be > noticed or acted upon. I could see it going either way. > > Grant Hardy > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don’t have a problem with new features being paid. I do have a problem > with disabling existing functionality we paid for. I have filed an > complaint. I encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions. I also > contacted Voicedream and pointed out where I believe they are in violation > of the guidelines. > > > > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of > *Grant Hardy > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader > > > > Hey Richard, > > > > If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ > is a bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at > https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the > term “rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope > these guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that > approvals and rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a > living document; new apps presenting new questions may result in new rules > at any time.” > > > > In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are > changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you > should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already > paid for.” > > > > This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to > charge for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users > already made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be > enforced consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common > sense to me. For example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect > you to rent it out later. > > > > This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may > not turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not > notice, they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, > something else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that > Apple doesn’t want developers to rent out features that users already > bought. > > > Grant Hardy > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning > Voice Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's > access to new content etc. > > I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary > definition of "Guidelines:" > > - a line by which one is guided: such as > > *a**:* a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit > retracing a course > > *b**:* an indication or outline of policy or conduct > > Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not > rules, a developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's > interpretation of a guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster > definition of rules: > Definition (Entry 1 of 2) > > - *1**a**:* a prescribed guide for conduct or action > > *b**:* the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious > order for observance by its members > > *c**:* an accepted procedure, custom, or habit > > *d**(1)**:* a usually written order or direction made by a court > regulating court practice or the action of parties > > *(2)**:* a legal precept or doctrine > > *e**:* a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct > > - *2**a**(1)**:* a usually valid generalization > > *(2)**:* a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode *//*fair weather > was the *rule*yesterday — *The New York Times* > > *b**:* a standard of judgment *:*CRITERION > > *c**:* a regulating principle > > *d**:* a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and > obtaining a certain result > > - *3**a**:* the exercise of authority or control *:* DOMINION > > *b**:* a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises > control > > - *4**a**:* a strip of material marked off in units used especially > for measuring *:* RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE > > *b**:* a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design > > *also* *:* a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip > > - *as a rule* > > *:* for the most part *:* GENERALLY > > > > > > > > Richard, USA > > “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. 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