Hi, It's also worth pointing out that the most widely spoken about piece of "Malware" (Incorrect term used by the media in this situation) that you can be hit with after you've jailbroken relates to people who have installed a ssh server and not changed the password. Trust me when I say that you won't install a SSH server by accident. In the same way that you won't ever open the app store, search for an app, find it and then install it, all by accident. There have been (And probably always will be) people that will install openSSH without really knowing what it is; perhaps without even reading the description of it in Cydia. In the nicest way possible, for these people, a bit of real world education in the form of datatheft is probably the only way they will learn to stop and think before they do something. It's true that the stop and think mentality isn't as much of an issue if you're not jailbroken, but it's a good attitude to adopt full stop and not just when you're using your smartphone.
The people that argue that jailbreak apps can steel your data are correct, but again, this is extremely unlikely to happen when using the default repositories in Cydia. It's also important to remember that Apple don't have access to the source code of any of the apps they approve so its entirely possible (But unlikely) that the exact thing could happen when you install an Apple approved app. Long time subscribers will be aware of the amount of tethering apps that have been approved because they've been diskised as something more mundain like a flashlight - if Apple had access to the source code and inspected it, this would not happen. Getting back to the jailbreak apps issue, you're far more likely to experience security related problems if you add other repositories to Cydia which there usually isn't any need to do and again, you won't ever do it inadvertently. For me this really isn't a problem, as it fairly closely mirrors life in general. If you walk through a rough area at night, you're far more likely to run into problems. If you buy food from a restaurant that seems shady, guess what, it's probably not going to be that great and there could even be repercussions in the future. You don't (Or shouldn't imo) restrict your lifes activities to those that your parents have approved for you (Age permitting) and generally speaking, you will excersise good judgement before you make any decissions throughout your life, so personally, I really see no reason why things should be different when you use an iPhone. I've never said that jailbreaking is for everyone and I never will. The problem that new users often run into is that they're served a lot of speculation by some people (Not targeting you here sieghard) on this list who really have no experience or even worse knolige of jailbreaking, so the questioner receives missinformation. Just some food for thought; others will doubtless disagree. Cheers, Ben. On 1/10/13, Raul A. Gallegos <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, if you are using iOS 6 then jailbreaking it isn't worth it. Please > Google for the differences between tethered and untethered jailbreaks > and it will be more clear. Basically right now untethered jailbreaks for > iOS 6 are not available. > > Good luck. > > -- > Raul A. Gallegos > A signature always reveals a man's character - and sometimes even his > name. - Evan Esar > Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com > Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 > Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 > > On 1/10/2013 8:52 AM, Timothy Emmons wrote: >> Raul Can you or someone email me offlist and tell me how to if possible >> jailbrak my iPod 4th gen? I had it updated to iOS 6 because I didn't know >> until much later that jailbreaking was even possible but I'm really >> wanting to use my googe voice number as a real phone and if I can >> integrate it into my iPod a little better I'd love that. Thanks and take >> care. >> On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:32 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> >>> I too have a lot of respect for Sieghard, however, I do have a >>> difference of opinion when he says that apps containing harmful code is >>> a huge problem on Android. I'd agree it's more of an issue than it is on >>> Apple, but I wouldn't say it's huge. I wouldn't think it's any different >>> than Windows or a jail broken iPhone, where if you just practice some >>> common sense, you can avoid most of the problems caused by malware. >>> >>> On 10/01/13 04:40, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: >>>> Hi there all. I always respect what Sieghard has to say on list because >>>> he is obviously very knowledgeable and has demonstrated that he knows >>>> what he is talking about. That being said, here is the other side of >>>> the >>>> view on jailbreaking. I'm a happy jailbreaker and while Sieghard's >>>> points are very much valid, not all apps from the Cydia store, (the >>>> jailbreak app store), are harmful. It's true that you have to be a bit >>>> more careful about what you get, but as long as you know what you >>>> install, and as long as you remove something that causes lock ups after >>>> installing it so you don't forget what did it in the first place, then >>>> jailbreaking is a beautiful experience. To give an example, I'm still >>>> running iOS 5.1.1 on my iPhone 4S, but it's not just because the >>>> untethered jailbreak isn't available for iOS 6, it's also because most >>>> of the functionality that you get with iOS 6 is already available to me >>>> in iOS 5.1.1 due to the various jailbreak apps or tweaks. At this point >>>> I would say that the main feature of iOS 6 that I don't get are the >>>> Apple Maps, but from what I've discovered so far from my wife's and >>>> daughter's iPhones using iOS 6, I'm not missing much. For maps and gps >>>> programs I use a combination of either Navigon or Google Maps or Waze >>>> GPS, together with Ariadne GPS. I can copy mp3 files to my iPhone as if >>>> it was a usb stick and still use the normal music app to listen to >>>> them. >>>> I have a much more reliable do not disturb feature which can be applied >>>> to a single contact or a group of contacts, and most importantly, I can >>>> theme my phone to use custom sounds for everything and I can use Google >>>> Voice fully integrated as if my Google Voice number was my real iPhone >>>> number. >>>> >>>> I hope this other viewpoint helps. >>>> >>>> PS, Sieghard, perhaps one day you and I can play devil's advocate and >>>> you can convince me why jailbreaking would be good, and I can do the >>>> opposite. <smile>. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raul A. Gallegos >>>> I haven't spoken to my wife in years. I didn't want to interrupt her. - >>>> Rodney Dangerfield >>>> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com >>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 >>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 >>>> >>>> On 1/10/2013 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>>>> Hi Mohammed, >>>>> >>>>> I don't Jailbreak my phone because it can make the phone less stabil >>>>> and >>>>> since apps which are not verified by Apple can also contain harmful >>>>> code (a >>>>> huge problem with Android apps where there is very little control from >>>>> Google) I prefer to forego some of the benefits of Jailbreaking for a >>>>> safer >>>>> user experience. I hope I am not triggering a huge discussion about >>>>> how >>>>> Jailbreaking is perfectly save and all that, if you are a Jailbreaker >>>>> and >>>>> think that is so then that's good for you, but while I am an >>>>> experienced >>>>> tech user it's not for me. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure you will receive plenty of replies from experienced >>>>> Jailbreakers >>>>> as to how to do it. However, keep in mind that if you upgraded to iOS >>>>> 6 you >>>>> are not able to do an untethered Jailbreak yet which means even if you >>>>> find >>>>> a Jailbreak, you would have to plug in your phone to the computer >>>>> should it >>>>> crash or should you want to reboot it since if y ou rebooted it >>>>> without >>>>> having it plugged in, it would not work. I am sure there will be an >>>>> untethered Jailbreak coming up, but it's not here yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Mohammed abbas Rashid >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:59 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Key Vibrate >>>>> >>>>> Hi Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks for your email. >>>>> >>>>> I very much appreciate all information given by your goodself. >>>>> >>>>> How is a phone jale broken? >>>>> >>>>> Once again look forward to hearing. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks and kind regards >>>>> Mohammed Rashid >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>>> Sent: 09 January 2013 16:47 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Key Vibrate >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mohammed, >>>>> >>>>> Although there are currently no applications in the App Store which >>>>> will >>>>> make your iPhone vibrate as you type on the keyboard, there are a few >>>>> options available for iPhone users who have done a successful >>>>> jailbreak on >>>>> their phones. After a jailbreak, you'll have access to the Cydia >>>>> application >>>>> store on your device -- a store of non-Apple approved applications >>>>> that many >>>>> users find very useful for enhancing their phone's functionality. In >>>>> the >>>>> Cydia store, you will find multiple applications for making your >>>>> iPhone >>>>> vibrate as you type, a feature known as haptic feedback. >>>>> >>>>> Where did you hear about this app? Was it Applevis? When I did the >>>>> google >>>>> search for "Key Vibrate App" the Applevis link to that app came up as >>>>> well, >>>>> but it states also that it is a Jailbreak app. >>>>> >>>>> Lastly, just as a general comment, keep in mind that if you hear about >>>>> a >>>>> particular app you may not find it in your country's App Store as not >>>>> all >>>>> apps are available in all countries. I am not sure where you live, but >>>>> if >>>>> you are looking for a particular app and can't find it at all it's >>>>> always a >>>>> good idea to do a google search for that app or simply ask google "In >>>>> which >>>>> countries is the so and so app available". Chances are you will find >>>>> the >>>>> information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Sieghard >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Mohammed abbas Rashid >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 5:55 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Key Vibrate >>>>> >>>>> Hi. It is my first posting to this list and I just wanted to ask if >>>>> someone >>>>> could please tell me where I can find the Key Vibrate app seen on the >>>>> Apple >>>>> Vis website as I have tried to search for it on app store,but couldn't >>>>> find >>>>> anything. >>>>> >>>>> Any help would be very much appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks and kind regards >>>>> Mohammed Rashid >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Russ Kiehne >>>>> Sent: 09 January 2013 13:45 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, I'll give it another try. I'l try one on ibooks. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Aman Singer >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:24 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader >>>>> >>>>> Hello. >>>>> I do not have a stream, but have converted quite a few books from mobi >>>>> to >>>>> epub using ebook-convert and read those books in iBooks. I have found >>>>> that >>>>> the author and title fields are maintained, at least for iBooks. >>>>> It may well be that they were malformed on the Mobi, that the Stream >>>>> doesn't >>>>> read them properly, or that ebook-convert is doing something strange >>>>> and out >>>>> of standard which is effecting the title/author fields for the stream. >>>>> All I >>>>> can say is that iBooks seems to have no issue with these fields. >>>>> HTH. >>>>> Aman >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Russ Kiehne >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:42 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader >>>>> >>>>> When you do this conversion, does it transfer the book title and >>>>> author? >>>>> I've run across some epub books that have been converted this way. On >>>>> my >>>>> stream it won't speak the book title or author when I move across the >>>>> bookshelf. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Aman Singer >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 6:37 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader >>>>> >>>>> Hi. >>>>> Though I agree that Calibre is an excellent book manager, its GUI is >>>>> not >>>>> accessible to any screen reader. However, it can be used to convert >>>>> books >>>>> from mobi to epub through the command line, which is accessible. See >>>>> http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html >>>>> for instructions. I have a Pithon script which, when a mobi file is >>>>> clicked, >>>>> will convert the file to Epub and put it in a temporary directory. If >>>>> anyone >>>>> wants this, let me know. >>>>> Aman >>>>> >>>>> On 1/8/13, Winston Chen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> I don't have any plans to support mobi at the moment. You can use >>>>>> Calibre to manage and convert all your eBook file formats. Calibre is >>>>>> free and a good piece of software. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Will this app support reading books in the mobi format? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Winston Chen >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:27 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to do this (speaking and spelling the selected word) in the >>>>>> next two releases. >>>>>> Winston. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you also going to make it possible for VoiceOver users to know >>>>>> what the text is that we are touching? That would help for the >>>>>> definition function, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Winston Chen >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:21 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> It is possible to set a bookmark with VO on, but it's a little clunky >>>>>> right now. You need to press the text area and hold for a second. And >>>>>> then you'll have the option to Define, Bookmark and Highlight. A >>>>>> bookmark is always set at the beginning of the paragraph you'll on. A >>>>>> highlight is set on the sentence. So even it is imprecise because >>>>>> you'll see the exact Word you're pressing, in the end it'll be close >>>>>> enough. Once you set a bookmark, you can go back to it using the >>>>>> Bookmark menu, which lets you navigate to a autogenerated chapter, >>>>>> bookmark, or highlight. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm going to add a "Bookmark" button in the next release so you can >>>>>> set a Bookmark at the speech cursor without having to invoke the >>>>>> context menu by long press. >>>>>> >>>>>> Winston. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Timothy Emmons wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Winston, I figured you had gotten it but were busy with other >>>>>> things so it's cool. Glad to know that a lot of folks are using it, I >>>>>> have found the bookmarks chapter marks and such very usable for >>>>>> navigation and have used this since I have gotten it more than >>>>>> read2go >>>>>> because it does recognize more formats, and has more voices with >>>>>> everything. Keep up the great work and I hope to see some great >>>>>> things >>>>>> from you guys in the future. I noticec the textbox and that is handy. >>>>>> The only thing is, how does one set bookmarks in a particular book, >>>>>> or >>>>>> is it possible with voiceover yet. I can get to all the bookmarks >>>>>> that >>>>>> are automatically generated but didn't know if I could set my own. I >>>>>> haven't explored the chapter marks yet and was wondering if that is a >>>>>> separate setting or how that works, but I use a lot of the >>>>>> automatically generated bookmarks to navigate with now which is >>>>>> nice. >>>>>> Anyway, thanks again for getting back to me, and keep up the great >>>>>> work. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> recommending it to not only blind and visually impaired patrons of >>>>>> mine since I work for the Library for the Blind here in Alabama, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> am also recommending it to students with learning disabilities that >>>>>> are on bookshare and even if they're not to use the app because of >>>>>> all >>>>>> it does provide for the price especially. I'm hooked and hope to see >>>>>> more great updates and features as you can. Thanks for a great >>>>>> product >>>>>> and keep up the great work. >>>>>> Take care and talk to you soon. >>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Voice Dream Winston wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes I did get your email. I'm thinking through text navigation of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> text >>>>>> area right now. I don't want to rush to a solution yet. I can't just >>>>>> turn on VO support because I built the text box myself in order to >>>>>> handle very large text. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quite a few blind users are using my app happily now, using a >>>>>>> combination >>>>>> of chapter marks, bookmarks, text search, and manual scrolling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winston. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Rick Alfaro <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Winston. Thanks for monitoring this list. Have you received >>>>>> feedback that I've sent regarding VoiceOver support issues? I sent >>>>>> feedback via the contact option within your app. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rick alfaro >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/5/2013 10:53 PM, Winston wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, I'm the developer of Voice Dream Reader. In the next version >>>>>>>> you'll be able to download voices on 3G. Thanks for being a >>>>>>>> customer >>>>>>>> and sorry for the inconvenience. Winston. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:29:44 AM UTC-5, Ketan Kothari >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>>>> I have purchased a few voices in the app but it asks me to use ViFi >>>>>>>> which I don't have. I can connect my Iphone 4S to my laptop and >>>>>>>> connect to the internet. Using Itunes can I download these voices? >>>>>>>> If so how? 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