Hi, I think that what you and I agree regardless of our personal views on jailbreaking, is that jailbreaking works for some, but is not for everyone. If I felt that my iPhone met my needs then I would not jailbreak either for the same reasons you stated. In fact, I don't even recommend jailbreaking to my customers I train on using the iPhone unless they ask about it first. And even then, I will explain what jailbreaking is, but give both sides of the coin in how cool it can be, but also how frustrating it can be and the problems it can cause. I will admit, and you can point the "told you so finger at me", that my iPhone has locked up more than the other iPhones in my family circle, and when it does, some people around here just raise their eyebrows and sigh at me. I've considered just upgrading iOS to the latest and using it non-jailbroken. This of course would mean that I would lose much of my beloved tweaks, like the ability to swipe left or right across the screen of any app to move the music forward and/backward, swipe from top to bottom in any app to play/pause the music, triple-tap the left side of the status bar to toggle air plane mode, and of course, my wonderful Star Trek sounds and background. Believe it or not, I can live with that loss. However what really stops me from moving forward with upgrading and using the iPhone non-jailbroken is the integration of Google Voice. I truly feel that has been the most I've gotten out of jailbreaking. I use my GV number as my primary contact number for calls and texts and jailbreaking allows me to use GV natively from my iPhone no matter which app I'm in. Yes it's true that the Google Voice apps, and a few others out there like GV Connect and GV Mobile Plus are excellent ones to use, but they still don't integrate fully into iOS. This is a similar thing to how keyboards like Fleksy can't integrate directly for those who wish it could. I totally understand the reason why Apple jails their apps, but I don't have to agree with it. Yes, you can point out that I myself have admitted to my phone locking up more, so why would I choose this action knowing the phone will be less stable. To that I can only say that the occasional lock up I have with my phone is less of an annoyance than not having integrated Google Voice, and the other tweaks I've gotten used to.

Oh, and if we debate in person and if you lose, just toss me your non-jailbroken iPhone. <grin>.
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On 1/10/2013 4:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hello Raul,

Let's see, if we do a Jailbreak debate let's try and meet up sometime so we
can do it in person and at least I can resort to just beating you up if I
loose *smile*

But joking aside, I completely agree with you which is why I said your phone
"can" become less stabil and jailbreak apps "can contain" poorly written
code. I completely understand that this is not necessarily the case and
always hear Rob from Today in iOS advise that one should always
remove/delete jailbreak apps one doesn't use in order to avoid running into
conflicts. I think, however, for some jailbreaking may be a temptation to
put so many apps on the phone that you lose track of which might be causing
a problem. You are probably correct in saying that if you are careful that
you can minimize the risk and maximize the benefits. Maybe I have to try it
one of these days, but then again, maybe I don't since my iPhone does
everything I want it do to and I totally don't mind syncing my music with
iTunes. I have a 64 Gb phone and about 25 Gb of music ripped at 256 Kbps so
for me that part is easy, I check the "Sync All Music" and it's a one-time
process.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Jailbreaking good or bad - Was Re: Key Vibrate

Hi there all. I always respect what Sieghard has to say on list because he
is obviously very knowledgeable and has demonstrated that he knows what he
is talking about. That being said, here is the other side of the view on
jailbreaking. I'm a happy jailbreaker and while Sieghard's points are very
much valid, not all apps from the Cydia store, (the jailbreak app store),
are harmful. It's true that you have to be a bit more careful about what you
get, but as long as you know what you install, and as long as you remove
something that causes lock ups after installing it so you don't forget what
did it in the first place, then jailbreaking is a beautiful experience. To
give an example, I'm still running iOS 5.1.1 on my iPhone 4S, but it's not
just because the untethered jailbreak isn't available for iOS 6, it's also
because most of the functionality that you get with iOS 6 is already
available to me in iOS 5.1.1 due to the various jailbreak apps or tweaks. At
this point I would say that the main feature of iOS 6 that I don't get are
the Apple Maps, but from what I've discovered so far from my wife's and
daughter's iPhones using iOS 6, I'm not missing much. For maps and gps
programs I use a combination of either Navigon or Google Maps or Waze GPS,
together with Ariadne GPS. I can copy mp3 files to my iPhone as if it was a
usb stick and still use the normal music app to listen to them.
I have a much more reliable do not disturb feature which can be applied to a
single contact or a group of contacts, and most importantly, I can theme my
phone to use custom sounds for everything and I can use Google Voice fully
integrated as if my Google Voice number was my real iPhone number.

I hope this other viewpoint helps.

PS, Sieghard, perhaps one day you and I can play devil's advocate and you
can convince me why jailbreaking would be good, and I can do the opposite.
<smile>.

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On 1/10/2013 12:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Mohammed,

I don't Jailbreak my phone because it can make the phone less stabil
and since apps which are not verified by Apple can also contain
harmful code (a huge problem with Android apps where there is very
little control from
Google) I prefer to forego some of the benefits of Jailbreaking for a
safer user experience. I hope I am not triggering a huge discussion
about how Jailbreaking is perfectly save and all that, if you are a
Jailbreaker and think that is so then that's good for you, but while I
am an experienced tech user it's not for me.

I am sure you will receive plenty of replies from experienced
Jailbreakers as to how to do it. However, keep in mind that if you
upgraded to iOS 6 you are not able to do an untethered Jailbreak yet
which means even if you find a Jailbreak, you would have to plug in
your phone to the computer should it crash or should you want to
reboot it since if y ou rebooted it without having it plugged in, it
would not work. I am sure there will be an untethered Jailbreak coming up,
but it's not here yet.


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mohammed abbas Rashid
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 8:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Key Vibrate

Hi Sieghard

        Many thanks for your email.

I very much appreciate all information given by your goodself.

How is a phone jale broken?

Once again look forward to hearing.

Many thanks and kind regards
Mohammed Rashid


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 09 January 2013 16:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Key Vibrate

Hi Mohammed,

Although there are currently no applications in the App Store which
will make your iPhone vibrate as you type on the keyboard, there are a
few options available for iPhone users who have done a successful
jailbreak on their phones. After a jailbreak, you'll have access to
the Cydia application store on your device -- a store of non-Apple
approved applications that many users find very useful for enhancing
their phone's functionality. In the Cydia store, you will find
multiple applications for making your iPhone vibrate as you type, a
feature known as haptic feedback.

Where did you hear about this app? Was it Applevis? When I did the
google search for "Key Vibrate App" the Applevis link to that app came
up as well, but it states also that it is a Jailbreak app.

Lastly, just as a general comment, keep in mind that if you hear about
a particular app you may not find it in your country's App Store as
not all apps are available in all countries. I am not sure where you
live, but if you are looking for a particular app and can't find it at
all it's always a good idea to do a google search for that app or
simply ask google "In which countries is the so and so app available".
Chances are you will find the information.


Regards,
Sieghard



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mohammed abbas Rashid
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 5:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Key Vibrate

Hi. It is my first posting to this list and I just wanted to ask if
someone could please tell me where I can find the Key Vibrate app seen
on the Apple Vis website as I have tried to search for it on app
store,but couldn't find anything.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks and kind regards
Mohammed Rashid

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: 09 January 2013 13:45
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

Thanks, I'll give it another try.  I'l try one on ibooks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aman Singer
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 9:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Voice Dream Reader

Hello.
I do not have a stream, but have converted quite a few books from mobi
to epub using ebook-convert and read those books in iBooks. I have
found that the author and title fields are maintained, at least for
iBooks.
It may well be that they were malformed on the Mobi, that the Stream
doesn't read them properly, or that ebook-convert is doing something
strange and out of standard which is effecting the title/author fields
for the stream. All I can say is that iBooks seems to have no issue with
these fields.
HTH.
Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

When you do this conversion, does it transfer the book title and author?
I've run across some epub books that have been converted this way.  On
my stream it won't speak the book title or author when I move across
the bookshelf.

-----Original Message-----
From: Aman Singer
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 6:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

Hi.
Though I agree that Calibre is an excellent book manager, its GUI is
not accessible to any screen reader. However, it can be used to
convert books from mobi to epub through the command line, which is
accessible. See http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html
for instructions. I have a Pithon script which, when a mobi file is
clicked, will convert the file to Epub and put it in a temporary
directory. If anyone wants this, let me know.
Aman

On 1/8/13, Winston Chen <[email protected]> wrote:
I don't have any plans to support mobi at the moment. You can use
Calibre to manage and convert all your eBook file formats. Calibre is
free and a good piece of software.

On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:

Will this app support reading books in the mobi format?

-----Original Message----- From: Winston Chen
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

I'm going to do this (speaking and spelling the selected word) in the
next two releases.
Winston.

On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Are you also going to make it possible for VoiceOver users to know
what the text is that we are touching?  That would help for the
definition function, etc.

Thanks,
Richard


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Winston Chen
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Voice Dream Reader

It is possible to set a bookmark with VO on, but it's a little clunky
right now. You need to press the text area and hold for a second. And
then you'll have the option to Define, Bookmark and Highlight. A
bookmark is always set at the beginning of the paragraph you'll on. A
highlight is set on the sentence. So even it is imprecise because
you'll see the exact Word you're pressing, in the end it'll be close
enough. Once you set a bookmark, you can go back to it using the
Bookmark menu, which lets you navigate to a autogenerated chapter,
bookmark, or highlight.

I'm going to add a "Bookmark" button in the next release so you can
set a Bookmark at the speech cursor without having to invoke the
context menu by long press.

Winston.


On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Timothy Emmons wrote:

Thanks Winston, I figured you had gotten it but were busy with other
things so it's cool. Glad to know that a lot of folks are using it, I
have found the bookmarks chapter marks and such very usable for
navigation and have used this since I have gotten it more than
read2go because it does recognize more formats, and has more voices
with everything. Keep up the great work and I hope to see some great
things from you guys in the future. I noticec the textbox and that is
handy.
The only thing is, how does one set bookmarks in a particular book,
or is it possible with voiceover yet. I can get to all the bookmarks
that are automatically generated but didn't know if I could set my
own. I haven't explored the chapter marks yet and was wondering if
that is a separate setting or how that works, but I use a lot of the
automatically  generated bookmarks to navigate with now which is nice.
Anyway, thanks again for getting back to me, and keep up the great work.
I'm
recommending it to not only blind and visually impaired patrons of
mine since I work for the Library for the Blind here in Alabama, but
I am also recommending it to students with learning disabilities that
are on bookshare and even if they're not to use the app because of
all it does provide for the price especially. I'm hooked and hope to
see more great updates and features as you can. Thanks for a great
product and keep up the great work.
Take care and talk to you soon.
On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Voice Dream Winston wrote:

Hi,

Yes I did get your email. I'm thinking through text navigation of
the text
area right now. I don't want to rush to a solution yet. I can't just
turn on VO support because I built the text box myself in order to
handle very large text.

Quite a few blind users are using my app happily now, using a
combination
of chapter marks, bookmarks, text search, and manual scrolling.

Best,

Winston.


On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Rick Alfaro <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Winston.  Thanks for monitoring this list.  Have you received
feedback that I've sent regarding VoiceOver support issues?  I sent
feedback via the contact option within your app.



Best,

Rick alfaro

On 1/5/2013 10:53 PM, Winston wrote:
Hi, I'm the developer of Voice Dream Reader. In the next version
you'll be able to download voices on 3G. Thanks for being a
customer and sorry for the inconvenience. Winston.

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:29:44 AM UTC-5, Ketan Kothari wrote:

Dear Friends,
I have purchased a few voices in the app but it asks me to use ViFi
which I don't have.  I can connect my Iphone 4S to my laptop and
connect to the internet.  Using Itunes can I download these voices?
If so how? Please do let me know.
Thank you.
Ketan

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