Another thought.
Were I just beginning with computers or smart phones, I may not know
enough
to know what I don't know or where to look for it. So, I will assume that
when people ask questions that I think they can find on their own,
that this
is the case. Now, people will sometimes take advantage of this and ask
because it's just easier. But I can't tell which is which. So, I will
try to
respect the fact that people who ask simple questions are people who
don't
quite know enough to know where to look at this point. I may be fooled
more
than once, but I have helped more than I have hindered.
And here is another thought. I think many would agree that it is often
more
educational to ask someone who knows than to spend hours searching the
internet and reading reviews and other pages that may well have
conflicting
data. So, even if I think someone should be able to find the answer on
their
own, I will have to assume that they are asking for human input rather
than
whatever input they may get on line.
Having said that, I still think giving people alternatives for where
to look
for things in addition to helping them is a good idea. But I hope I can
always be open to helping no matter how silly I think the request,
because
to them, it is not silly at all.
Also, remember that there are people on this list whose first language is
not English. They may not be as precise at asking questions as some, and
they may not be as good as others in perusing the web for their answers.
So, someone please take me to task if I am ever insulting to a question
asker. I may be brief, because I don't have a lot of time. Today I do and
the number of messages I have written to this list is much larger than
most
days, but many of us are quite busy. However, that is no excuse for being
dismissive of a persons quest to learn.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Debby, it's not about asking questions. It's about doing something or not
doing something that one could do themselves. Let's say you want to
take off
your shoe, and it is tied, well, you of course untie the shoe, right?
Well
if you want to find out about an app, maybe you are going to buy it,
or if
it is free, just put it on your phone, you search for it in the app
store,
don't you? Well, I saw two successive messages on two different apps
which
asked the question, what does it do, when they could have just as easily
looked to see for themselves. I certainly don't mind answering questions
about apps either, however the obvious causes me frustration, you
wouldn't
ask me to untie your shoe, you would untie it yourself. If a person can
untie their shoe than they ought to be able to search for an app. Like
last
week, I had forgotten how to delete an app from my phone, something I
hadn't
done in about six months, what did I do? I didn't ask the list, which I
guess I could have, I looked up the information in the book entitled
Getting
started with the iPhone. It helped refresh my memory as to what to do
regarding other things and I was indeed able to find the information
on my
own, and I didn't clutter up the list with a question when I could easily
find the information on my own. I don't say, don't ask, I say don't
ask if
you have the information at your fingertips.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debbie Worstman" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: What do they do???
I just want to say that I do not post to the list often, but I have
gotten
some very good information from reading please don't let this make you
fearful of asking questions.
If asking questions makes the difference in someone either using there
iDevice or giving up on it then please ask away.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf
Of Simon Wong
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
I am new to this phone, I can I not ask questions?
Sent from my iPhone
On 2013-04-11, at 10:44 AM, "Fred Olver" <[email protected]> wrote:
Maybe they come to you because that way they don't have to do it
themselves.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Johnson"
<[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: What do they do???
I do have friends who hardly will ever try to figure things out on
their own because they don't have the confidence in themselves, they
are afraid of doing something wrong.
I am not saying there is right or wrong in any of this; I just think
those that ask should be respected and answered even if we ourselves
wish they would do their own work.
I have done a lot of stuff for people that I think they should be
able to do for themselves, yet over and over again when they need
help they come to me for it and I think to myself, they need to learn
this on their own but if they won't because they are fearful of
making a mistake, then I have to help them.
Patti
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Patty, if the information is readily available, why ask the list?
Aren't we supposed to be able to do some things on our own or have we
all become so lazy that rather than find out ourselves that we must
bring it to the list because we can't take the time to find out for
ourselves?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patti Johnson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: What do they do???
I was telling a friend about this who was thinking of subscribing to
this list; and she said if you're told to do your research all the
time then what's the point of the list?
I personally don't mind answering questions, no matter how many
times the question is asked.
Some people are new to this thing, and we don't know who is or isn't.
Or their level of experience. Patience needs to be exercised on any
email list, because we don't know where the person writing in is
coming from. Just my humble opinion. And actually if you don't
want to answer that person on list write to them privately, which
would take away from the high traffic.
Patti
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Fred Olver
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Thanks for your comments, I just happen to find it very irritating
that somewhat intelligent people choose not, even when they have the
information at their fingertips to find the information themselves
rather than ask on such a high-traffic list. This was as a result of
two messages in a row which asked the question of two different
app's, what does it do.
Fred
----- Original Message. In this case, there were two mesages in a
row that asked the same question, "What does it do -----
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: What do they do???
Well, I thought the whole thread was kind of annoying and
condescending myself, and I didn't have the patience to read it. I
doubt many of the targeted audience is going to have the patience
to read such an email let alone follow the tips tucked in it. I
also wonder how much time was spent writing and reading such a
message as opposed to just hitting the delete key when someone asks
a question you can't or don't want to answer. I find the one liners
like "What does
this app do?" or "How much does it cost?"
to be just as annoying as the next guy, but given that Raul, as the
moderator, has already done a good job trying to curb such
behavior, I don't think it's going to change human behavior much,
and I think it's best left to Raul and the moderators.
On 04/11/2013 06:40 AM, Fred Olver wrote:
Thanks, Will for bringing me a chuckle this morning. I get so
tired of folks asking what does it do when they could so easily
find out the information for themselves.
Maybe my little piece will cause them to think before postting to
the list.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Wil James <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: What do they do???
You forgot the other burning question. How much does it cost?
Sent from Wil's iPhone 4S
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On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:47 PM, "Fred Olver"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Inquiring minds want to know, what does it do? What does it
do????
What does it do??? The answer is simple, in fact it is so
simple
it's a wonder you didn't think of it yourself??? Unlike the
I-devices, there is a simple yet often-overlooked task which
will
easily bring you the information you crave.
What is it you say, I can't wait, please, please, tell me.
Why it's as simple as typing the name of the app in to the
space
marked, very clearly "SEARCH" I repeat "SEARCH", easily found
Where??? Ah, yet another question and yet one which answer
is not
the commonly used phrase, "Over there", why it is, are you
ready
for this, are you sure you are ready? It is after all your
waiting
to find an answer which has iluded mankind for hmmm maybe 20
seconds or so, of course, in the app store. See that wasn't so
difficult, now, here are the directions. Merely double-tap
on the
"app store" Icon on your i-Device, wait for it to open and
then,
then, look down at the bottom of the page which you will
come to.
There are five buttons labeled from left to right: "Featured",
"top Charts" "genius" "search" and last but not least
"updates".
Now, all you have to do after tapping the "search" item, a new
screen will appear in which you will be presented with an
on-screen keyboard, or, you can use an external keyboard,
either
Braille or standard to gain the information you so badly crave.
Then all you need do is enter the necessary information field
using voice, keyboard bluetooth or keyboard on the phone and
tap
"search" and voila, the information appears. This feature
can be
used to find hidden apps like tap tap see, four square, or
perhapse you want to look up 4square. Words like radio or music
can present you with literally hundreds of functional
applications. Perhapse you long for apps which might be of use
to
you tomorrow, Saturday, or maybe even next week.
Be sure to keep this document in case you forget what to do,
lets
again, refresh,
1. Find app store on your i-device
2. Double tap to open this item.
3. find the WORD "SEARCH" near the bottom of the screen,
double-tap on it at which point you will be presented with an
on-screen keyboard or you can use an external one if you wish,
4. Type the name of what you are looking for or something like
rpg's or text adventures or cooking or games
5. Again, double-tap the "search" button by using a keyboard to
input your information your choice and off you go.
I hope this has been helpful, compared to making use of some of
the apps available for the iPhone this is truly a very easy
task
to accomplish.
If you still do not feel you understand this task, let me know
and
I will indeed be glad to put together a podcast and if
enough of
you ask me too, I'll see about putting it up on "applevis",
what
is that, you ask, well, that's for another night. but that's
another message.
Later folks.
Happy searching.
Fred Olver
Thanks to Ester and Jonathon for all of your previous posts
teaching all of us what we need to know, I only hope I have
come
close in presenting the necessary information for those who are
having difficulty accomplishing this task.
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