Re: IOS8!!!

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure if I'm included in the Android fan boys or not, but I don't 
consider myself an Android fan boy. I do have a Nexis 7, and I like the 
greater degree of control I have in Android over IOS, and there are 
somethings I prefer doing on my Nexis 7 over my iPhone, but I got an 
iPhone because it was more accessible, and I've never said Android 
accessibility is on par with Apple's.

Android accessibility has improved quite a bit, and a lot if expected 
when Android L comes out shortly. Android and Talk Back do just work 
differently than IOS and VoiceOver, so people making the jump from Apple 
to Android will have to do things differently. That being said, I don't 
think this explains all of the accessibility short comings in Android. I 
think people can use Android just fine, and Android has a lot to offer 
that appeal to both the blind and the sighted, but I wouldn't say that 
Android has caught up with IOS yet when it comes to accessibility.

I believe that IOS is more secure than Android, but this is because of 
the closed nature of the Apple ecosystem. I've read that there are more 
security flaws in IOS than there are in Android, but it's harder to 
exploit them because Apple doesn't open up it's file system or 
application store. That being said, I think the security knock on 
Android is blown out of proportion. You can get antimalware for Android, 
which you cannot do for Apple, if you're worried about malware, but 
common sense is your biggest safe guard against security 
vulnerabilities, just as it is on Windows, Linux and the Mac.

I don't follow the statements regarding how Google's customers aren't 
Android users and how Google makes money by collecting information from 
as many users as possible. I know Microsoft still charges for it's 
operating system, but I doubt Microsoft gets much money from end users 
who actually go out and buy a copy of the operating system. Other than 
that, I can't think of a company that makes any money from selling it's 
operating system to end users, so I'm not sure how Android is different 
than other operating systems in that sense.

I realize Google is in the information business, but I don't know how 
Android plays into this. Sure, if you get a Google Play edition of an 
Android phone, you can sign up for a bunch of Google services, but I 
don't know how this is any different from getting an Apple ID, using 
iCloud, shopping in the App Store, using iTunes Radio and so on. Maybe 
Google gets more advertising revenue from other companies than Apple, 
but Apple is also collecting information on it's users and using that to 
market it's own products.

As I said, I don't consider myself a fan boy of either Apple or Android, 
but I do find myself amazed at how many unfounded opinions there are out 
there in both camps and how many people parrot what they've heard 
someone else say or pass on dated information. I'm not sure if I'm 
considered an Android fan boy on this list, but I wouldn't be surprised 
if some consider me an Apple fan boy on the Android list since I am 
correcting some pretty blatant misconceptions and erroneous information 
held by some Android users regarding IOS and the iPhone.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to use one phone over the other, but I 
do think this attitude that one phone is better than the other, to the 
point where misinformation is passed along, is detrimental to the 
blindness community. Choice is good, and it's good that we have choice 
as blind users. Instead of getting defensive when someone buys an 
Android phone instead of an iPhone, we should feel elated that we have 
this choice.


On 09/13/2014 04:14 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Hi Joseph,

I think once iOS 8 is in the hand of the public Apple Accessibility will get
the message. As for going to Android, I doubt it's an improvement. Yes, I
know there are some Android fan boys on this list who say Android
accessibility is really good now, but I still think that Android itself is
lacking and the biggest turn off for me is the security and the fact that
Google's customers are not the users of Android but the advertisers who pay
them the big money. Android is not making them money and Google makes their
money by trying to get as much information from its users as possible. This
ois not the case with Apple.


Regards,
sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS8!!!

Hello Listers,
Somehow, this really needs to be brought to Apple's attention. I mean in a
big way. In such a way that they will be willing to really take
accessibility problems seriously. While I don't know how to best go about
this, perhaps others might have some really constructive ideas and ways to
move forward with them.
While I am interested in purchasing a new iPhone 6 or 6 plus, I don't know
if I want to sink my money and have all kind of aggravations that could have
been prevented in the first place.
I suppose I'll hold off for quite a while.
Who knows, I might even go over to Android, just a thought.

On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Alan Paganelli <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

I usually hold off a couple of days mostly because everybody and their
sister wants to download the update.  Maybe in this case it may be wiser to
hold off until we see what others are saying about it.  Sure there are
always those who will complained if you hang them with a new rope but
perhaps in this case there may well be fire with all that smoke.


Regards,

Alan

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
<chalt...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: IOS8!!!


That's true, the difference here though, at least in my mind, is that
this is coming from someone on the list who I think is pretty level
headed. If I recall correctly, Sieghard was recommending people
upgrade to IOS 7 when it came out because the advantages out weighed
the annoyances and the different ways a few things worked. In this
case, you have someone who I respect quite a bit on the list sounding the
alarm.
This gives me much more pause then the normal run of the mill
complaints that come out whenever anything changes. I'll be looking
forward to more information from Sieghard and others once IOS 8 is
released and they aren't bound by the NDA they agreed to.

On 09/12/2014 01:41 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
As I recall, when they came out with iOS 7 the same thing was said.
We all survived it!  I suspect we'll do the same with iOS 8! <grin>


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics
format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks
for listening!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
<siegh...@live.ca>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: IOS8!!!


I can't say too much because of the NDA I agreed to when I signed up
for my developer account, but Pablo is wise to stay with iOS 7 for
now, there will be a lot of "pissing and moaning" as you put It Ed,
that I can guaranty. I can only advise those who like their phone to
work very nicely and especially those who like to use their phone
with a bluetooth keyboard a lot to maybe wait a bit, iOS 8 is
probably one of the buggiest or maybe the buggiest release Apple has
done.

Take care,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Pinky
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS8!!!

Hi Pablo,
Come on and take a chance on IOS 8.  I like to hear you piss and
moan. LOL Just kidding.
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS8!!!

Oh Pablo it can't be that bad can it? LOL!


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics
format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks
for listening!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: IOS8!!!


Hmmm, maybe you are right.


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS8!!!

Are you sure Pablo? LOL!  Your taking a huge risk here! LOL!


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!!!!!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances
played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics
format formerly on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks
for listening!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: IOS8!!!


Oh, yes. I learned the lesson. Maybe for June 2015 IOs 8  will be
with no bugs, then I will install it in my phone.


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS8!!!

You heard correctly. Also! I beg everyone who has a problem with bugs
to wait rather than installing the update and spending a lot of time
criticizing Apple for such a bad update.

On 9/9/14, Cheryl Homiak <cah4...@icloud.com> wrote:
I think I remember from today that it will be the 17th. But I heard
a lot today so I could be mistaken.

--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 9, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Everyone;

Does anyone know when IOS8 will be available?
I thought today was the day.

Thanks
Anthony


Sent from my iPhone 5s!

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