Hi Neal,
And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things “I avoid iTunes if I can” or “I hate iTunes” or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn’t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren’t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don’t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don’t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what’s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller < <mailto:miller...@gmail.com> miller...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers < <mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> neal.ew...@ravenswood.org> wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. 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