Well, you're certainly right, in my opinion, about Windows Media Player. I don't even use it. I have updated to iTunes 12 and I actually like it better than previous versions. It is a different interface, and I suspect there are some accessibility issues, at least I have heard of some, but I think what trips up a number of people is that it is not the way they expect it to be from using previous versions. The shortcut keys can get you around rather easily and the help file contains a very extensive list of additional shortcut keys.
Neal -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs I'm not a big iTunes fan, but other than maybe FooBar, every media library application I've used as been a pretty unique experience. Winamp may have a lot of hot keys, but they aren't standard and try working with remote content through Winamp. Windows Media Playre also has a pretty unique interface that takes some getting used to. If you have to jump through hoops to learn a media player anyway, it might as well be iTunes if you're going to use it with your Apple devices. I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iTunes, and I don't really care what multimedia player people use, but if you want an application to manage your media library, and you own an Apple device, you might as well give iTunes a try and see how it stacks up against Winamp, WMP or whatever accessible multimedia player you can find. On 11/04/2014 01:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Neal, > > And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still > has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and > very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say > things I avoid iTunes if I can or I hate iTunes or and so on. I > used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying > Winamp doesn t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has > been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that > I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the > most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. > > Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will > improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic > principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as > your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Neal Ewers > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are > not accessible because they really aren t, or at least parts of them > are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as > there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to > seeing, we may think they just don t work. Sometimes, parts of them > really don t work. The only way to know this is to actually update > yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. > > Thanks all for your feedback. > > Neal > > *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Colin Matthews > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Hahahahaha you got me there! > > Yes not getting that apps what s new info is on the Mac version! > > I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know > that it was not a jaws problem! > > Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! > > Colin > > On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I guess fully accessible can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac > version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What s New > section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows > version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than > before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more > involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when > there is an app update is something one can work around, but it s unfortunate. > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected]]*On Behalf Of*Colin Matthews > *Sent:*Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Hi! > > Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! > > Unless your talking about the windows version! > > On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the > new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! > > But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say > Music to others like Apps or Tones! > > And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are > available in the Windows version as well! > > On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to > one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with > any of the numbers! > > But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! > > If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! > > HTH Colin > > On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and > settings from the phone, you ll still keep the version of iOS that > was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated > is if you restore through iTunes itself. > > On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday > by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would > install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. > > I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the > latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes > 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same > version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no > longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party > download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use > iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes > 12. It s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because > she doesn t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others > in this situation and people who need to restore. > > Neal > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On > Behalf Of*Alan Lemly > *Sent:*Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, > Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and > still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time > of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset > the device without getting rid of the operating system in the > process. Is my understanding correct? > > Alan Lemly > > -----Original Message----- > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On > Behalf Of*Sieghard Weitzel > *Sent:*Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of > iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I > thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On > Behalf Of*Pablo Morales > *Sent:*Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Hi Sieghard > > Yes, it is a good question. > > Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? > > Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems > with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is > calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 > days, VO is crashing, no reason why. > > More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, > like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I > understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the > same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn t install IOs 8? > > It is true? > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On > Behalf Of*Sieghard Weitzel > *Sent:*Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Hi Pablo, > > As Christopher pointed out, you can t go to iOS 7 at this point. > Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn t > do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded > IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore > button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, > here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is > located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be > done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still > valid/signed by Apple. > > If you don t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, > why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only > option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS > version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to > iOS 8.1. > > Regards, > > Sieghard > > *From:*[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[mailto:[email protected]]*On > Behalf Of*Pablo Morales > *Sent:*Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM > *To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:*restoring iPhone to the same IOs > > Hi all. > > I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how > rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am > wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in > my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to > reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. 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