Pablo, In the United States, Europe, and in the rest of the free western world,we have immense amounts of political freedom. We do have corporate dictators though. Apple’s policy of not allowing users to revert to a previous iOS version is well known. Upgrading to a new iOS version is essentially irreversible. The guys at Cool Blind Tech put out a warning shortly before the release of iOS 8 telling voiceover users not to upgrade. I posted two reviews of iOS 8.1 and iOS 8.1.1 on the iPhone 5 from highly reputable sources. Both reviews strongly recommended that people wait until another version to receive better performance and fewer hassles. The folks here and on AppleVis both stated that iOS 8.1.1 left many accessibility issues unresolved. Despite all of this you upgraded anyway.
The flipside of freedom is personal responsibility. At this point, you should accept your decision to upgrade, take responsibility to learn the workarounds for some of the access bugs and move on. Apple is not responsible for your needs and decisions. You are. Kelly On 11/27/14, Kerri G <kerri.g1...@icloud.com> wrote: > And, if I may add, since we will commence not listening to you, what will > happen if you have real issues, Pablo, you will not obtain assistance, you > cry foul too many times. >> On Nov 27, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Shawn Krasniuk <bbssh...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Well Pablo, do you think Apple is listening or will listen to your >> negative messages? I don't think so. It's the same thing with this list. >> You've been saying the same crap since iOS 6 that Apple doesn't give a >> damn about us and that they're breaking accessibility with every major >> release. And just like Apple, we're going to start not to listen. I've >> said it before and I'll say it again. iOS has bugs. There's no doubt about >> that. But honestly, the cool new features outweigh the bugs. So I think I >> can say for most people that Apple must be doing something right if iOS 8 >> is enjoyable. Can they improve? Yeah sure. But messages like this bashing >> Apple will never get us anywhere. >> >> Shawn >> Sent From My White MacBook >> >>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Raul, I don't want to be arguing with you , really it is not helpful for >>> the list. But I have to clarify that my porpoise is , advice and help >>> everybody, even me. >>> I don't know if you remember, since I started writing emails to the list, >>> regarding IOs problems, that I have been saying, that if we are customers >>> of apple, we should push apple to do a better job. It is my porpoise. If >>> we stay quiet, apple will not improve the quality of IOs. Do you Remember >>> IOs 6?, it had some bugs, remember Ios 7? It had more bugs than IOs 6, >>> and look IOs 8, the worse IOs that the customers has seen. Looks like >>> every year the quality is lower, and lower, and lower. >>> Why is it happening? >>> Easy, because apple is not feeling that they need to improve the IOs >>> quality. >>> A few days I read on the list, someone saying that apple is doing a good >>> job, because in a few weeks, they have release 2 updates of IOs 8. I >>> don't see this issue on the same way. If they have to fix things, it is >>> because there were things to be fix. Again Raul, if we always are happy >>> with whatever apple is doing, always they will decrease the quality. >>> My advice to everybody, is write to apple, call them, make a lot of >>> noise, then they will take care about what are the problems of their >>> customers, but been good boys, quiet, they will not feel the need to >>> improve anything. >>> I hope that you see now what is my porpoise writing not positive >>> messages. >>> Pablo tired of IOs bugs. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of RobH. >>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:58 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>> >>> I think he means, he usually means:- >>> >>> if it's not advice that is useful or helps someone, then it serves no >>> real >>> purpose on the list. There have been timely warnings about bugs to save >>> a >>> few falling over them, that at least was useful. >>> He encourages us to ask ourselves - does this add to the knowledge >>> presented >>> so far. >>> >>> I think that about summarises it, hope I don't go getting flack for >>> saying >>> so. >>> >>> Rh. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pablo Morales" <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 2:19 PM >>> Subject: RE: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>> >>> >>> Hi Raul. >>> In the rules of the list, I don't see anywhere anything saying that the >>> messages posted to the list, should be something that is positive for >>> apple. >>> Are you owner of apple? >>> No, right? >>> Ok, so if I am in disagreement with the way how apple is handling the >>> accessibility, something that affect me, you, and everybody in this email >>> >>> list. What is your problem? >>> That my emails are not saying that IOs 8.x is great? >>> No, it is not great, and you know that. >>> That the way how apple is pushing everybody to upgrade their devices, not >>> >>> allowing to reinstall the IOs that the people has already installed is >>> not >>> fair, is not good? >>> Well, Raul, maybe it is something that is not positive, but it is true. >>> That IOs 8.1.1, after I asked here if they fixed the bugs that IOs 8 had, >>> >>> and after read emails saying that there are some bugs, and other people >>> saying that IOs 8.1.1 is great, for example Sieghard. Person that looks >>> like >>> he works with this matter, and has knowledge. >>> What is your problem if after read the post in the list, and after see >>> that >>> I wasn't able to do a restore of my iPhone with the same version of IOs >>> >>> 7.1.2 that I had installed, I feel me frustrated? >>> This email list is only for people who works for apple, or people who is >>> >>> happy with apple? >>> No, I don't think so, I understand that this email list is to talk about >>> >>> accessibility in apple devices, right? >>> Talk about accessibility is everything, good and bad things. >>> You remind me my country. In my country, or you support the government, >>> talking very good about the government, or you become in nothing, you >>> lose >>> your job, and you don't receive any support from any authority. Because >>> of >>> that I left my country, and now I am living in a great country, with >>> freedom. >>> Any way, as owner of this email list, you can do what ever you want. >>> I am very frustrated with apple, with IOs, with the policies of apple, >>> and I >>> got the freedom to say that I am getting a lot of problems with the IOs, >>> >>> and also I have the freedom to be mad with the way how apple is handling >>> the >>> Updates. Or to be mad for the low quality of IOs. I am not insulting you >>> or >>> any body here, aas other members of the list has done against me before. >>> And by the way, you didn't do anything about it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Raul A. Gallegos >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: moderator warning - Re: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>> >>> Pablo. Every release you go on and on about the same sob story. I'm >>> seriusly >>> thinking of revoking your posting privileges on this list if this keeps >>> up. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:02 AM, Pablo Morales <pablomorale...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, I know that I can not go back to IOs 7.1.2, and either, I couldn't >>>> >>>> restore my iPhone with IOs 7.1.2 installed in my phone, because IOs8 >>>> 7.1.2 is not signed for apple. It means that mandatory I have to >>>> install >>>> IOs 8, liking or doesn't liking, I have to. >>>> But I don't understand why, the people is still buying this kind of >>>> treatment from apple. It is ridiculos, every release, apple make this >>>> kind >>>> of problems with the BT keyboards, but they don't learn of their >>>> previous >>>> mistakes, again, they do the same mistakes, and again, the same >>>> mistakes. >>>> a Again, it was my last apple device. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:44 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> Then you should have stayed with iOS 7.1.2, the issues with bluetooth >>>> keyboards and braille displays have been well documented. And in case >>>> you >>>> wonder, no, you can't go back to iOS 7.1.2 any more. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Pablo Morales >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:52 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> Hi Sieghard. >>>> Well, I have been using Bluetooth keyboard since my first iphone 4, >>>> years >>>> ago. The problem is that if I am using the Bluetooth keyboard, some >>>> times >>>> the keyboard stop responding. I turn it off, but the virtual keyboard >>>> doesn't appear, so I turn on the BT, and is no way to make it to type, >>>> or >>>> to make the iPhone respond. So I have to close what ever I was doing, >>>> and >>>> try again. Other times, if my iPhone gets the lock screen, and I try to >>>> >>>> deactivate the lock screen using my BT, it just doesn't respond, but it >>>> >>>> doesn't happen always, it happen some times. >>>> Other times, if I am trying to type the info in several text boxes, with >>>> >>>> the bt is no way to jump and type several text boxes. I type in the >>>> first >>>> a few boxes, but later the bt keyboard stop working. >>>> It is very bad, because my bt was working perfectly in IOs7.1.2. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:58 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> Hi Pablo, >>>> >>>> I don't use a bluetooth keyboard a lot, but I think most of the problems >>>> >>>> were fixed. Anyhow, it's not like you didn't know what you were getting >>>> >>>> into, especially the issue with bluetooth keyboards and braille devices >>>> >>>> has been discussed exhaustively. It might help if you more specifically >>>> >>>> explain what exactly your problems are. I do assume you know that you >>>> have >>>> to turn quick nav off in order to enter text? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Pablo Morales >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:10 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> Hi Sieghard >>>> Yes, I guess that apple did so. I am getting a lot of problems with the >>>> >>>> Bluetooth keyboard, and I need to use the Bluetooth keyboard, a lot! >>>> I am noticing a little bit slow my phone, I am not talking about how >>>> voice >>>> over works, I am talking about how my iPhone respond to the events. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:14 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> The 2-finger double tap works I would say 90% or so of the time. Every >>>> now >>>> and then it will start playing whatever audio I was last listening to, >>>> usually Audible, instead of answering the call. In that case I just >>>> 2-finger double tap again to stop the audio and then double tap the >>>> accept >>>> button to answer the call. Like I said, it happens rarely, but it still >>>> >>>> does happen from time to time. >>>> >>>> Pablo, I hope Apple put a few extra bugs into your copy of iOS 8.1.1 >>>> just >>>> because we all love to hear you complain *smile*. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Neal Ewers >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> I can double tap to answer all calls. >>>> >>>> Neal >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Pablo Morales >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:51 PM >>>> To: viphone >>>> Subject: starting with IOs 8.1.1 >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> Well, I love to make troubles, and because of that, I tried IOs 8.1.1, >>>> to >>>> see what I can say about this release. >>>> Well guys, I thought that it will be so bad, but, no. 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