I do not know of too many shops who do not handle the distinction by giving one 
person two hats. What is a sysadmin? Answer - A system programmer who also 
handles the bulk of the administration of the system. What is a system 
programmer?  Answer - A system administrator who handles the tasks of system 
programming. I have never worked in a shop that separated the two functions. If 
it was anything more that creating a new userid (using tools created by the 
system programmer) or resetting a password, it was the prevue of the system 
programmer/administrator.

 -----Original Message-----
From:   VM/ESA and z/VM Discussions [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  On Behalf Of 
Alan Altmark
Sent:   Monday, January 09, 2006 4:49 PM
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Subject:        Re: Web-based administration for z/VM

There are things a systems programmer must do and then there are things 
administrators do.  The line between the two is fuzzy, at best, but I like 
to think that "a sysprog bails out the sysadmin when the admin tools quit 
working".  That is, the sysprog must know something about the system's 
architecture and how to get things done.  E.g. "Just IPL with NODIRECT and 
use DEFINE MDISK" is not something I would let a sysadmin do.

My point was that IBM Virtualization Engine is currently geared towards 
sysadmins, not sysprogs, though both jobs may be done by the same person.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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