Is there a good clear document somewhere describing how STIR/SHAKEN is supposed to work?
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM Matthew Crocker via VoiceOps < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Oct 24, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Peter Beckman via VoiceOps < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Crocker. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > > > > The challenge is how do you authenticate the end "carrier" or service > > provider? > > > > STIR/SHAKEN > > > > Sure, anyone who leases numbers directly from NANPA can look up the > carrier > > of record and exchange traffic directly, but any business who also leases > > numbers INDIRECTLY gets cut out and still needs to pay their upstream > > carrier(s) to place/receive calls, either by channels or per minute, even > > if their upstream is directly peered and not transiting the PSTN at all. > > > > If this would be for the end user, then NANPA would have to delegate to > the > > leasee, the leasee delegate to the reseller, the reseller to the end > user, > > then the end user could publish their VoIP contact info, and anyone could > > call directly via VoIP, cutting out all of the middle peers. > > > > But, as another person said, this is ripe for abuse, and with no > motivation > > by NANPA or the larger carriers to make calls less expensive for the > > reseller or end user, I see this going nowhere. Until there is some value > > in NANPA (plus all the other country telephony organizations) and the > > direct carriers leasing numbers to do so. > > > > Beckman > > > >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Ross Tajvar via VoiceOps wrote: > >> > >> I can think of a few ways that could be adapted into a platform more > like > >> an Internet exchange, but as others have said, it just doesn't seem > worth > >> it. > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023, 5:31 PM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I think schemes like DUNDI (and some of the others mentioned here) > suffer > >>> from a trust issue – what’s to prevent operator X from poisoning the > >>> protocol with bogus “stolen” numbers? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 5:25 PM Jared Smith via VoiceOps < > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:49 AM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> This was in another thread, but I broke it out into it's own > >>>>> conversation. Someone had asked: > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> I am joining this thread late, but, would anyone out there be > interested > >>>>> in exchanging traffic with other carriers directly over SIP? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Just another point of VoIP history trivia at this point... but in > >>>> addition to things like ENUM and ITAD, Mark Spencer of Asterisk fame > also > >>>> invented Dundi, which was an encrypted peer-to-peer protocol for route > >>>> advertisement and discovery. As far as I know, very few people > besides me > >>>> ever put it in production, but it worked really well at the time. (Of > >>>> course, it's been about 17 or 18 years now since I used it in > production.) > >>>> > >>>> -Jared > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> VoiceOps mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> VoiceOps mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > >>> > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Peter Beckman Internet > Guy > > [email protected] > https://www.angryox.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > _______________________________________________ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >
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