----- Original Message ----- From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Miklos Borbas Thruster??
> > On Jun 1, 2007, at 6:19 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >> I am not sure a virtual current needs to be invoked until a real >> one, which would point to a mundane ion wind effect, has been ruled >> out. Can you measure the current delivered by your flyback GOB? > > > Note that when the ping pong balls are added, suppressing external > ion breeze, the direction of rotation changes from that when an ion > breeze is made. This may simply mean that the few ions that still leak out of the high voltage rotating arm (the few tens of microamps you quote below, or those estimated by GOB in his own device) leak backwards since they can't leak forwards anymore. Since the rotating arm is frictionless, it requires very little thrust to rotate. > A real current, consisting of only electrons, well, an ion current is quite real too > can not produce a net > thrust in a vacuum. Now you mention it, why couldn't you get a net thrust in a vacuum if the rotating arm was emitting electrons to ground? > It is only the effect of a gradient on the > virtual current that can produce true net thrust. BTW, I don't think > that is a Biefeld Brown effect is it? Isn't his effect based on DC > capacitors? I'm not up on his stuff. Those things are DC capacitors indeed, albeit leaky ones. If they didn't leak there would be no thrust most probably. Michel > > Some data from the web site regarding current follows. > > From the bottom of http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/unipolar.htm: > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - > Thruster on the next two videos are measured out. Measured data: > > U=25kV DC, I=0.04mA, P=1W, F=3.77mN, electrodes are 13cm from > centerline (arm=0.13m): > > full15.wmv (2.1 MB) > > full16.wmv (2.2 MB) > > full17.wmv (5.4 MB) > > full18.wmv (4.1 MB) > > halfclosed1.wmv (2,6 MB) > > The next thruster (presented in video `halfclosed1.wmv`) is put into > a grounded Faraday cage, and still works! It works in Faraday cage as > well as in insulated cage. This is the prove than it is no an > electromagnetic effect: > > faraday1.wmv (1.8 MB) > > Data of this thruster: U=25kV, I=0.08mA, P=2W. Whitout hermeticall > box, with ion-wind, it makes 55 rotations in 1 minute. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - > > Regards, > > Horace Heffner >
