At 10:40 AM 1/2/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote:
Jojo, you do not understand hadith, how they are assembled,
analyzed, evaluated, and used. Your use of the term "venerated" is
revealing: the hadith scholars are not at all "venerated."
Bingo!
What in the world are your sources for all this nonsense about Islam
that you are spouting???
You can find all of this on anti-Islam web sites, often explicitly
Evangelical Christian. Mostly, Jojo just claims stuff without citing
sources, but there was an exception recently on the matter of Female
Genital Mutilation. He gave his source, an Anti-Islam web site, that
cited Muslim sources, and that directly challenged how Muslim
scholars interpret the sources.
Jojo actually dropped this one quickly. I have no idea if it's
because I found an authoritative non-Muslim source (Lane's Lexicon),
exactly on point and confirming the Muslim scholars, or just because
there isn't enough time in the day. He's been churning this stuff out
for quite a while, but he doesn't actually research it, he's just
copying ideas and stating them as fact.
On the birther thing, and all the claims about Obama, there is a very
well elaborated and thorough anti-birther web site,
http://thefogbow.com, but there is no single authoritative birther
site. There are only masses of memes that are passed around,
repeated, and apparently believed. It's very similar to his anti-Muslim stuff.
There are only two other claims I recall that Jojo, beyond the FGM
thing, backed up with a source.
The first was his claim about the age of Ayesha at consummation,
where he cited Muslim and Bukhari, seeming to believe that these,
being so "venerated," would seal the matter. The concept of context
evades Jojo. He's actually been learning something here, shown in
this last post, about Islam. He turns it into a Bad Thing, of course.
Basically, realizing that all the Muslims are not following the
Venerated Sources, by the letter, which kind of demolishes his
Muslims are Evil ideas based on the Evil Sources, he then says that
Muslims are Even More Evil, because they are ...
brace yourself ...
... ANARCHISTS!
The second was his claim that Obama had issued an Executive Order
that prohibited release of his birth certificate, college records, etc.
Jojo skims over my posts and responds with outrage at what he
fantasizes, and he apparently thought I was denying that an Executive
Order existed, so he posted the text of the whole thing. He neglected
to read it, apparently, or if he did read it, his comprehension of a
U.S. Presidential Executive Order is even worse than his
comprehension of Islamic sources. The evidence, that he provided,
conclusively trounced his own claim. When this was pointed out, his
only recourse was to cry "lies."
He is what he claims others are. One might imagine that a real
Christian would get this immediately! Even a real Evangelical
Christian. Or does "Evangelical" mean "You are all wrong!"
I don't think so. Isn't it about the Good News?
Jojo's original post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg74992.html
