Alright. If you believe that your "research" is more authoritative than
Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari, so be it. People will see how desperate you
are at tying to spin this away. I can understand what you are trying to do.
The revelation that your beloved prophet was actually a child sex pervert
molester is quite embarassing. But I wouldn't have engaged in my own set of
lies just to protect him. Just say he was just a man and disavow it and be
done with it. That would have been an effective answer to me and I wouldn't
have been able to counter that effectively.
Jojo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Abd ul-Rahman Lomax" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT:JoJo's "Truth" about islam and little girls.
At 10:40 AM 1/2/2013, de Bivort Lawrence wrote:
Jojo, you do not understand hadith, how they are assembled, analyzed,
evaluated, and used. Your use of the term "venerated" is revealing: the
hadith scholars are not at all "venerated."
Bingo!
What in the world are your sources for all this nonsense about Islam that
you are spouting???
You can find all of this on anti-Islam web sites, often explicitly
Evangelical Christian. Mostly, Jojo just claims stuff without citing
sources, but there was an exception recently on the matter of Female
Genital Mutilation. He gave his source, an Anti-Islam web site, that cited
Muslim sources, and that directly challenged how Muslim scholars interpret
the sources.
Jojo actually dropped this one quickly. I have no idea if it's because I
found an authoritative non-Muslim source (Lane's Lexicon), exactly on
point and confirming the Muslim scholars, or just because there isn't
enough time in the day. He's been churning this stuff out for quite a
while, but he doesn't actually research it, he's just copying ideas and
stating them as fact.
On the birther thing, and all the claims about Obama, there is a very well
elaborated and thorough anti-birther web site, http://thefogbow.com, but
there is no single authoritative birther site. There are only masses of
memes that are passed around, repeated, and apparently believed. It's very
similar to his anti-Muslim stuff.
There are only two other claims I recall that Jojo, beyond the FGM thing,
backed up with a source.
The first was his claim about the age of Ayesha at consummation, where he
cited Muslim and Bukhari, seeming to believe that these, being so
"venerated," would seal the matter. The concept of context evades Jojo.
He's actually been learning something here, shown in this last post, about
Islam. He turns it into a Bad Thing, of course. Basically, realizing that
all the Muslims are not following the Venerated Sources, by the letter,
which kind of demolishes his Muslims are Evil ideas based on the Evil
Sources, he then says that Muslims are Even More Evil, because they are
...
brace yourself ...
... ANARCHISTS!
The second was his claim that Obama had issued an Executive Order that
prohibited release of his birth certificate, college records, etc.
Jojo skims over my posts and responds with outrage at what he fantasizes,
and he apparently thought I was denying that an Executive Order existed,
so he posted the text of the whole thing. He neglected to read it,
apparently, or if he did read it, his comprehension of a U.S. Presidential
Executive Order is even worse than his comprehension of Islamic sources.
The evidence, that he provided, conclusively trounced his own claim. When
this was pointed out, his only recourse was to cry "lies."
He is what he claims others are. One might imagine that a real Christian
would get this immediately! Even a real Evangelical Christian. Or does
"Evangelical" mean "You are all wrong!"
I don't think so. Isn't it about the Good News?
Jojo's original post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg74992.html
