--- Mike Carrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are repeating the same mistake > that Jeff made, changing what the Correas did before > you ever see the effect. The PAGD discharge is a > wideband event. It is amazing to state that voltage is simply not fully classified as voltage by measurement, in that we can compare the voltage generated by a transfomer to a voltage generated by a resonance as a voltage rise similar to the transformer principle, and obtain totally different conductions to the loads as comparison examples. I was most amuzed at this many years ago when I attempted to resonate a 60 henry coil at 480 hz from an AC alternator. I computed the LC values together from resonant calculations and then placed this as a load on a correctly formulated q circuit of 40 or more between resonated phases of .15 henry @ 480 hz. Since the high induction coils were 1000 ohms a significant high voltage circuit was neccesary for the input and as such the q resonant circuit of mid-fourties or more could provide a 500-600 volt input from a 15 volt alternator stator. I "thought" that my book value derived LC values were correct because of the fact that the circuit would light neons attached to it, or across one of the voltage rises or ground polar capacity. About a year later I reproduced the same alternator conditions using a step up ferromagnetic transformer as the source of voltage, and found that the former LC combinations completely failed to resonate. It was here that when some more sensible measurements were actually undertaken, it was found that the high induction coil itself, while its reactance should only increase 8 fold at 8 times the standard 60 hz frequency had actually increased beyond that linear calculation value to a great degree, probably having to due with the internal capacity between wires in that 9 mile wire spool of 23 gauge wire. In any case however the book calculations, although in error show a useful fact. The "mistuned" LC combination resonated from a resonant voltage source to a significant degree, but not at all from the same ferromagnetic level of voltage created by the same alernator. Thus the "bandwidth" of a resonance is expanded when exposed to a equally sourced resonance as a source. A multiphased tank circuit always has figure 8 pathways,or at least three pathways from alternator three phase circuits; where when the reactances are shown diffference wise between the outer and inner load elements as a resonant transformation, one will be large compared to the other, thus the addition of reactance values in series barely effects the tank resonance, somewhat explaining how a resonant source might expand the bandwidth of a resonance on its width of effective action. The ending result is that a voltage from a resonance can stimulate a broad band resonance, but the transformer only the narrow band made by traditional book calculations. Conversely the EM emited from a resonant EM neon discharge broacasts no specific frequency, but rather a broadband frequency source; ONLY WHEN percieved that way, where a better viewpoint is to say that the influence causes the inductors to vibrate at their own resonant frequencies, which is what we measure as that influence. Because differing geometries of measuring coils record differing frequencies from the same source does not imply the misunderstanding that the broadcast simultaneously supplies all frequencies, where the entire subject is easily dismissed away from the original thinking.
Transformers are ***not*** simple > devices in a wideband case, they have stray > inductance which will present a complex impedance to > the discharge. It can be shown that a neon fired from a NST emits practically no EM, just a very small 60hz rf spike, but neons fired from a resonant voltage rise, where a return wire connection is not necessary and a polar surface area and proximity to ground can be made to substitute the ending wire connection; in those conditions the EM can be measured by scoping of any adjacent coil around the neon influence. Apparently then a neon disharge can have special qualities. The clue to the named negative resistance portion of a neon discharge might be shown by experiments to raise the necessary voltage and gain ignition of the neon tube. In one experiment I took a car alternator AC source at 480 hz and connected a single phase to a pole pig transfomer that employs a 62 fold voltage rise. In that circumstance an amperage meter on the transformer primary, rated at 10 Amps must have blown , because the neon ignited breifly and then everthing was disuable by the primary fuse of the amperage meter blowing out. The pole pig transformer is not a current limited transformer like the ballasted NST variety, that limits the possible amount of output current by the high impedance of its secondary, and also the core shunts employing flux diversion. What might seem implaussible is that in this case, the proper NST transformer for 60 hz operation, having twice the voltage rise of the pole pig transfomer; completely fails to light a neon when driven at the same voltage at 480 hz, BECAUSE of how the transformer was designed to limit its current output at 60 hz, where at 8 times the frequency at 480 hz frequency current, the current limitation of the output is also further decreased 8 fold.(or perhaps more as in the first example) Thus a higher voltage transformer device having current limitation fails to work, but a lesser voltage rise transformer having no current limitation output does work, provided we ballast the neon disharge with a capacity to limit the amount of amperage that can conduct through the circuit. In this case of series capacity ballasting the discharge, once neon ignition is formed the source of voltage can be turned down to a lower voltage input by variac control of the field of the alternator and the neon discharge wil still be enabled, although it is closer to its failure point. This is what I believe to be the effective operation of the neon discharge in the so called "negative resistance" portion of operation. The reasoning for this is shown by polar capacity field measurements in one example, where the registered EM actually increases, although we have decreased the voltage input, and also in this cited case of alternator/pole pig ballasted neon discharge. In that case we can put voltage meters across both the neon and the limiting capacity, and make comparisons of the values. When the neon ignites according to its ignition voltage the voltage across the bulb appears larger then the voltage across the limiting capacity. But turning down the input voltage we find that the voltage values across each element become closer in matching values, and if the choice of bulb length and cap values are close enough, it becomes conceptially easy to see that this condition resembles the series resonance of a current limited neon discharge, in that the voltage rises on each series element oppose each other, and that in this case the neon discharge itself of current in a tube length must have some inductive reactance, so it should be possible to put in series a capacitive reactance of equal opposite value. IN this case however the ordinary resonant actions of paired L and C values gets obscurred by non-linearity of the (neon) component. When the neon discharge is increased in volume of light by turning up the input voltage, then the voltage across the neon becomes large in comparison to the voltage across the limiting cap ratio wise... In some ways it seems impossible to measure a lot of things about neon current, it has a triangular discharge gate, not a sinusoidal. Years ago I was stumped by a particular problem, which was to find the phase angle of a argon discharge, which at first seems unknowable, because we have no quantity R to express its resistance, again because of non linearity, THREE SUBSTANCES, water, ferrite and neon gas among others appear to exhibit a very nonlinear behavior in as much as the effective resistance depends upon the voltage of application, ect. In the particular problem a large helical coil of 1500 ft with a known L value was placed across the argon discharge in series. That coil has a known phase angle by mathematics and measurement,so after the argon discharge was added in series this produces a change on the known phase angle, and it sure still is a phase angle problem I havent figured out lately at least... 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