I disagree. Your zeal is not letting you think clearly. He needs gravity to break the flux field and drop the ball. OU requires more energy out than put in, right? Gravity, in this case IS a power source that must be included in the energy calculation.
I think it is relatively safe to say that 2nd law is valid in ALL cases... OU is claimed only when the true power source is not known, not non-existent (some poor chap on the other end of your hyper-dimensional energy straw is getting a raw deal). Eventually all energy sources will be found and OU claims debunked. Moving a ball around a SMOT track is a nice Sharper Image desk toy (if it really could be made to work), but I really don't see how this kind of motive power could be harnessed to do work. Stephen I too once shared your intoxication with the concept of what Greg proposed in SMOT and RMOD, but as with all intoxications the hangover is not too far behind (and the more you 'drink' the worse the pain). AND as with most hangovers, one is inclined to swear off the stuff for a while after surviving the experience. 8^) -john -----Original Message----- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gravity is a conservative force. There is nothing there to "harvest", save by letting something fall down and _stay_ _down_. Waterwheels, black holes, and brown dwarfs do that. But Greg is talking about something more. Greg is talking about letting something fall down and then raising it up again, and getting energy out of the whole circuit, from starting point back to the starting point. That certainly _IS_ "OU" -- it's free energy, perpetual motion, a violation of the First Law. It's radical. And it's the whole point in his magic arrangement of magnets which will pull on a steel ball on the way in but then let it go without resistance on the way out. Proof that gravity isn't conservative would be, to say the least, an important result. The Minto wheel is solar powered: solar energy goes in, mechanical energy comes out. Greg's "wheel" isn't powered: zero Gibbs free energy goes in, mechanical energy comes out. That's a big difference. > At best an RMOD is nothing more than a magnetically powered minto wheel. > You can't get energy out of static magnets, because the field is conservative. There is no "nothing more..." about Greg's alleged invention; it's radically different. > -john > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Nick Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Friday, May 06, 2005 2:19 PM > *To:* Vortex-L > *Subject:* SMOT > > John Steck wrote:- > <<Worse yet, he managed to fleece a few of us > too (not me so I must temper my indignation).>> > > Well, he refunded me and even offered to send me A$50 extra for the > inconvenience... If Greg is wrong about the SMOT then he is more > likely to > be deluded rather than an out and out conman. I think anyone should > be concentrating on what he originally called the RMOD which he > claimed turned > for days but eventually suffered bearing failure. He has even uploaded a > couple of drawings of this RMOD to his site. Right. Drawings. For sure. What happened to the original device -- stolen by little green men? Nobody should be concentrating on this at all, and that includes me, so as of this moment I resolve to stop posting on this particular topic... -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 05/05/09
