RE: Alleviating Energy Costs

[John Steck]

Perhaps a bit late, but any recommendations to offset grid dependence this winter?  I suspect the budget busting fuel costs last winter will pale by comparison to this winter...  even a wood fueled steam powered generator is looking cost effective at this point.  8^(   Lots of talented people here... any interest in developing a practical "open-source/copy-left" backyard power generator?  Might not be a bad thread to put our pontifications to practice.   -john     -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:46 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: Alleviating Energy Costs About the only thing I can add, Richard,  is that the "Energy Barons" as dictated by Cheney's Secret meeting on energy policy is set the price of all Fossil fuel energy at $3.00 per Therm (100,000 BTU).  Gasoline, Diesel, (~.1.2 Therms/gallon) Propane (0.92 Therms/gallon) & Home Heating Oil (~1.2 Therms/gallon ) & Electricity (~ 30 Kw-Hr/Therm).  (Natural gas headed there)  Hydrogen too ???  :-)   Frederick ----- Original Message ----- From: RC Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 8/27/05 11:53:06 AM Subject: Re: Alleviating Energy Costs Fred has  a very important series of posts regarding vital moves proposed for available energy resources that are being tragically ignored. As a nation, we overlook readily available technology in energy conservation and use because we have been seduced by artificially low fuel prices for purposes of which we are not yet aware..     We will need a " Marshall plan" to get us off  "deadcenter". We are not running out of time.. we have already run out of time evidenced by the commodities market reflection of the price of crude. The price is based ..not on demand.. but on the " perception" of the status of oil supply vs. demand.    I once heard a professional poker player  say when another player was hesitant calling the play.. "you can't play poker with scared money". The professionals in the oil game are aware, like sharks smelling blood, of the prevailing fear permeating governments, industry and the people. The US Dept of Energy is hesitant, bound by politics and by poor and indecisive leadership. This hesitancy reflects a fear that results in inaction which leads to mischief and calculation by professinal poker players testing the pot watching to see who is "sweating". The scary thought is they realize there is no longer any " limits".   This old world contains some really evil people that love to fish in troubled waters and love to watch and provoke. It is time the individual study his enrergy resources and plan for basic needs for shelter, food , clothing and fuel. Emphasis on FUEL.   Be wise to read everything Fred Sparber posts on this subject. So.. Fred.. please continue witrh your thoughts because what you have to say is really getting interesting.   Richard