V, Out of interest, what kicked off this whole discussion? Was somebody caught with their pants down?
Look the Latins, pagans and other religions don't have these Anglo-Saxon problems a man is a man, right... So what if he's married and has an au-pair or two? It's the double standard and it's a man's world (or take a look at the antics of divorced older women, I guess they catch up). You know, St Paul really did it in for Christianity, the misogynistic little politico. R. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of thomas malloy Sent: 14 December 2005 10:15 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OffTopic: Lust and the bible Vortexians; I found the response to this thread interesting, it was as if I'd been subscribed to a religious list. Sexual immorality is any sexual activity other than that between a married couple. Lust is forbidden by Yeshua. He is clearly using the word as something stronger than something that you simply want. I realize that other religious systems have love your neighbor as yourself as a tenant. There are lots of elements of the Christian religion which had common elements in older pagan religions. There are two ways to look at this; one is Universalism, all religions lead to salvation, the other view is that Satan is a clever counterfeiter. >Harry Veeder wrote: >> >> >>1. Can a Christian lust and still be qualified to enter into the >>Kingdom of God? Yes but only if you repent. >Otherwise, you'll need to do some purgatory time, but after that >you're cleared for takeoff on the runway to Heaven. I thought that the Roman Church had repented of purgatory > >>2. Can a man or a woman lust for their mate, yet without sin? > Lust implies sexual desire. This is one thing if both of the people are single, but if one of them are married, it is sin. > >>3. Is lusting a sin? yes > >>4. Do you really know the difference between lust and desire? I think that the difference is obvious. >>5. If you lust for something, would your Maker grant it to you? He might, if it pleases him. >>6. If you caught yourself lusting should you repent of it? There is no forgiveness of sin without repentance. >>7. Does God, Christ, and all the holy angels ever lust? A holy, kadosh, G-d, cannot allow that which is unholy in his kingdom. The angels and the Sons of G-d who lusted left heaven >>Those who are spirit beings, those who are Holy, perfect, and righteous? The ones who lusted left heaven long ago and came here. According to the Book of Enoch, they are imprisoned here awaiting judgment. > >Regarding (7.): Yes, of course, angels do. See Genesis 6:1-4 for more info. > >But that's a very concise treatment of the story. For a longer and >more explicit version see 1 Enoch 6-7, followed by additional >references throughout the following chapters up to 1 Enoch 71. (1 >Enoch is an early first century Jewish work which appears to have >been treated as ... um, well, gospel, We believe that the Enoch in the title is the Enoch mentioned in Genesis. Noah brought a copy with him on the ark. > I guess you'd call it ... by many in the early Church, certainly >including St. Jude, who quotes from it, and possibly including Paul >himself. It was considered a sacred book by the Christian church in >Ethiopia for centuries.) My rabbi agrees. >For a bit more on Satan/Lucipher and his feelings in various matters >see the Life of Adam and Eve 12-16. He's apparently a very >emotional guy, and quite proud, and feels he really got shafted by >God. (LoA&E is also a 1st century work, which incorporates >longstanding traditions surrounding the events in the Bible.) Leave it up to Lucifer to believe that. He started out with pride, and then he lied, and then he murdered. Tonight's interviewee on C to C AM is talking about Zachuriah Sitchens who has written a book about some Sumerian clay tablets that he translated. He tells a story about an extra terresterial race called the Ananaki, who created humans to be their slaves. Sitchen's story continues with the usual New Age B S. Satan has a long history of writing books which deceive people. IMHO, this is one of the finest examples of his art. >And who, by the way, ever said angels are "perfect"? A holy G-d cannot tolerate that which is unholy in his kingdom. > >> >>Don't be too quick to answer. Remember, all of our background came >>from our parents, culture, and our society. >Take yourself out of our culture and into some other where "lust" >and "sin" aren't all tangled up together and where "Christ" is just >a word with no meaning and nobody's ever heard parables about the >"Kingdom of Heaven", and you'll have trouble even understanding what >those questions are supposed to mean. You're making several assumptions, and you know what happens when you assume. If there is no creator, and he has no interest in making the Earth holy, then you can write the story off as a parable. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
