One way that this null hypothesis might be setup is to use two identical constant current power supplies and run the LENR reactor test side by side then switch the connection of the power supplies periodically between the null and functional reactor to show the energy gain is not a function of the power supply while the functional reactor is demonstrating LENR and the null is not.
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Alberto De Souza < [email protected]> wrote: > When I said "To my knowledge, no one in history have yet presented an > experiment showing significant excess heat side by side with its null > hypothesis." > I meant "To my knowledge, no one in history have yet presented an > experiment showing large excess heat side by side with its null > hypothesis." > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 7:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If I not remember wrong, Swartz had serial tests of nanors. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 17:25:40 -0400, Alberto De Souza < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I mean "(very truthful, but we need two ammeters, therefore, problems >> with skeptics)". >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Alberto De Souza < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> If we put the heaters in series, we are sure the current is the same >>> in both. It is easy to measure the voltage on each one of them with a hand >>> voltimeter. With current and voltage, we can compute the resistance of each >>> one and the power each one is dissipating. >>> >>> Conversely, if we put them in parallel, the voltage is the same. But we >>> have to measure the current on each one of them. One can do that with a >>> series ammeter (very truthful, but we need to ammeters, therefore, problems >>> with skeptics) or with a inductive one (not so much truthful because the >>> measurement is indirect; problems with skeptics). I would go with the >>> series circuit. One just need more voltage from the variac transformer to >>> power two reactors. >>> >>> Alberto. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bob Cook <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The resistance of the two legs of the circuit components will change >>>> as a function of temperature. Thus, if power input is to be the same or >>>> even predictable, the resistances of the coils along their length as a >>>> function of temperature should be known. This bit of information is not >>>> trivial. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Axil Axil <[email protected]> >>>> *To:* vortex-l <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 1:57 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc., >>>> Series and parallel circuits >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits >>>> In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is >>>> the same, and the voltage <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage> >>>> across the circuit is the sum of the voltages across each component.[1] >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#cite_note-R.26H321-1> >>>> In a parallel circuit, the voltage across each of the components is the >>>> same, and the total current is the sum of the currents through each >>>> component.[3] >>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#cite_note-R.26H324-3> >>>> >>>> We would also need to show that the current to the two reactors was the >>>> same using two ammeters connected to the heater coil of each reactor. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Would we not want to wire the reactors in parallel to avoid a voltage >>>>> drop between the two reactors if they were connected in series? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Alberto De Souza < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alain, you are right in your analysis. A skeptic may point out all >>>>>> the problems you have mentioned. But we have something new now: MFMP and >>>>>> their live science approach. If they show (live) the complete process of >>>>>> puting the two reactors in series and the reactor with fuel shows >>>>>> significantly higher temperature for enough time, it is done. No skeptic >>>>>> whining will be strong enough to change the tide. All big-funded >>>>>> laboratories in world will try and replicate the results in the following >>>>>> few days (all relevant data for replication will be in the Internet). >>>>>> MFMP >>>>>> is doing everything right, and they are using the weapons of today - >>>>>> immediate socialization of information. If they are successful in a >>>>>> experiment as I have suggested, i.e. a live experiment with a clear null >>>>>> hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis), they will >>>>>> make history. >>>>>> >>>>>> To my knowledge, no one in history have yet presented an experiment >>>>>> showing significant excess heat side by side with its null hypothesis. >>>>>> Either the experimenters try to show excess heat with calorimetry (too >>>>>> hard) or they do the experimental test and the null hyposthesis in >>>>>> different moments and not taking proper care with the control variables. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alberto. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Alain Sepeda <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hidden wire, RF supply, solar cell, can explain an apparent >>>>>>> self-sustain. >>>>>>> David have a good idea, that skeptic do the experiment themselves. >>>>>>> some have done in their time and now they are here ;-) accused of >>>>>>> fraud an delusion. >>>>>>> moreover most skeptic refuse to experiment, and when experimenting >>>>>>> have a tendency to reject any success and not to try long. >>>>>>> It have to be easy. >>>>>>> easy, with a theory, with a practical interest. >>>>>>> I'm shocked today by the fact that most people instead of saying >>>>>>> "it is unreal", say me "show me the reactor in home depot"... >>>>>>> either a theory or an application. >>>>>>> there is no room in Science for unexplained phenomenon that are not >>>>>>> on the market. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-03-20 16:50 GMT+01:00 Daniel Rocha <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alain, all of these difficulties can be overcome by a self >>>>>>>> sustained system. 3.2x system can vaporize, condense at certain hight, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> use the fall of water to generate power. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >> >
