Axil,
Going into the experiment with the idea of proving doesn't work reminds me of MIT and Pons & Fleischmann. What happens if the experiment did work? Then IH would have given away Rossi's IP for nothing and stripped Rossi of what little protection he does have.
AA

On 2/18/2017 5:55 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
Brian Ahern would want to verify that Rossi's IP is a fraud as a statement of verified fact. IH et al wound want to verify their assertion that Rossi's IP does not work. If IH is telling truth that IP is nothing, then they lose nothing related to that IP and advance their case against Rossi.

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 4:35 PM, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net <mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    Axil,
    I don't think it follows that IH is free to do what they want with
    Rossi's IP.  If that were the case why would they have agreed to
    give Rossi $89 million?  Surely his technology, if it works, is
    worth more than $11 million.

    I also thought Brian Ahern had expressed his opinion that Rossi
    never had anything and was just a fraud.  Correct me if I'm
    wrong.  If so, why would Brian want to work on it?

    As for facts - I have stated many times that they are not all
    known and we should wait for full information.  It does not seem
    to be a popular view.
    AA



    On 2/18/2017 4:20 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
    There are dozens of well  motivated open source replicators of
    Ross's tech working now including brian Ahern and an additional
    hundreds that will enter the field as soon as Rossi's tech is
    made available. I am disgusted with all the innuendo that is
    involved in the Rossi tech issue. It will be refreshing to deal
    with FACTS that can be verified or disproved by research. IH paid
    for that IP and it is theirs to do with it as they see fit. The
    licence agreement no longer is binding. LET US HAVE THE FACTS AND
    NOTHING BUT THE FACTS.

    On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 3:44 PM, a.ashfield
    <a.ashfi...@verizon.net <mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

        Axil,
        Apart from some of that information being proprietary it
        doesn't help to have this run by avowed enemies.  Remember
        how MIT and CalTec bodged the replication of Pons & Fleischmann?

        AA


        On 2/18/2017 2:53 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
        IH would be well served to release all the Rossi provided
        INFO involving the Rossi reaction to the open source
        community and Brian Ahern as its most prominent member**to
        allow that community to run tests to see if Rossi's
        technology is a fraud. This verification would support IH in
        their claims about Rossi.

        Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

        On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Brian Ahern
        <ahern_br...@msn.com <mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com>> wrote:

            I was watching a program about O.J. Simpson and how he
            had a loyal following. I see parallels to Rossi's loyal
            following.


            "Feed a cold and starve a fever;

            argue with no true believer."


            It is a waste of effort to expect the citizens of Planet
            Rossi to abandon their hero.  He is too charismatic and
            has hypnotized a  group by appealing to their hopes and
            dreams of clean energy.

            It is futile to expect logic and evidence will be able
            to de-program the earnest followers.

            
------------------------------------------------------------------------
            *From:* a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net
            <mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>>
            *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 8:11 PM
            *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:How to overestimate water flux by
            wrongly positioning an instrument
            That is certainly one way of avoiding answering the
            questions I asked.
            You say you have "all the data."  It seems very unlikely
            that IH has all Rossi's data and so how would you get it?

            AA

            On 2/17/2017 6:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
            a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net
            <mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net>> wrote:

                I have every reason to doubt it. Saying that you
                have the piping drawing but refuse to publish it
                doesn't hold water.


            Okay, so you are saying I am a liar. Got it. I will
            block any further messages from you.

            Done and done.

            - Jed








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