In reply to JonesBeene's message of Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:17:46 -0700: Hi, [snip] > >Nigel > >With water, there is the phenomenon of proton hopping even without >cavitation. > >The Hagelstein paper you cite proposes a neutron analog of electron hopping in >semiconductors. This means that there are two natural phenomena on which to >model neutron hopping. > >Protons hop from one water molecule to another naturally and consequently the >principle of proton mobility in water has been known for 200 years ... now >called the Grotthuss mechanism but all attempts to split water more >efficiently by using it have failed. It is a very fast mechanism and >apparently recombination is too rapid to make it useful. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotthuss_mechanism
I don't think this actually requires proton tunneling. Collisions between molecules would suffice. > >But the Grotthuss mechanism could be understood to provide a closer analogy to >neutron hopping, since the mass difference is small between the two, with the >huge advantage of the neutron having no difficulty with the Coulomb barrier. Neutrons don't have a problem with the Coulomb barrier, but they are much more firmly bound to their nucleus than a proton is bound in a water molecule. > >Radiation in the range of 1-5 keV is surely evidence of some type of LENR but >not cold fusion. It is too bad that the two are conflated. It may not be evidence of some type of LENR. The shock wave would accelerate the atoms/electrons of the plate, possible sufficient to create the effect directly. BTW 1-5 keV is also what one might expect from a Hydrino reaction. UV could excite the electrons ;) [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
