I checked to see if the reports say anything about gammas or neutrons 
associated with the B-11 fusion reaction or what happens to B-10, which is 
about 20% of natural boron.  There may be activation associated with the 
protons and energetic alphas involved in the suggested fusion reactions.

I wonder if a similar reaction with Li-7 and protons happens with selected 
stimulation.  I is pretty well known that the Be-8  decay reaction is clean.  
If the B-11 reaction is not clean, I would not mess with it unless nothing else 

Separately, it seems to me that the densification of H process as described by 
Hora and Holmlid has a lot of hand waving associated with it.  I tend to 
believe that the lasers intense magnetic field causes the production of 
transient duplex BEC’S of Cooper pairs of electrons and protons which react 
during the second laser pulse of appropriate resonance  frequency with nearby 

 As I recall the Holmlid patent application notes the possible formation of the 
Cooper pairs noted above.   Solid state LENR in a metallic lattice with near  
surface BEC’s may be what is happening in the Hora and/or Holmlid experiments.  
This suggests that surfaces are the location of the reaction, and that larger 
surface areas associated with the nano size particles promote more reactions.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Breakthroughs in Laser Fusion Gives Billion TimesImprovement 
In Yield

IMHO, the muons come from hadronization of the energy stored by the metallic 
hydrogen. The energy transferred from hadron decay to the metallic hydrogen 
accumulates and is eventually converted to mesons. This energy storage 
mechanism might be disrupted through the destruction of the metallic hydrogen 
in a runtime cycle. Such an energy store release might be accomplished with the 
arc discharge to produce a magnetic field strong enough to release the energy 
stored by the metallic hydrogen before enough is accumulated to catalyze meson 

As another way,  a thick blanket of filbe could also convert the muons to heat.


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:08 PM, JonesBeene 
<jone...@pacbell.net<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote:

From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>

  *   But Holmlid get a high energy reaction from excitation from a very low 
powered laser. A petawatt laser is extreme overkill.

Yes - but the problem with the Holmlid approach (if we take his claims at face 
value) is that the output energy is largely in the form of muons.

There is no obvious way to capture muons efficiently since their decay will 
occur far away from the reactor. IOW it is hard to convert that kind of 
reaction into a usable form and it may be hard to scale. Perhaps that 
detail/problem (conversion) is what Holmlid is working on now. I would love to 
see his comments on this paper from Hora.

In contrast, the boron fusion output is mostly energetic alpha particles, which 
can be thermalized easily or better yet, converted directly into electricity. 
Plus, there is some doubt about the identity of Holmlid’s copious muons and no 
replication has been published.

If Holmlid were to modify his device for the proton-boron reaction, he could 
change a lot of skepticism into belief since it would be easier to measure the 
results, for one thing.

Did you notice the mention of super heavy hydrogen in the Hora paper? That is 
most curious given the recent history of Hora and Holmlid working together. Is 
Hora referring to UDH?

It may seem that Hora and Holmlid had some kind of falling-out since there is 
no mention of the earlier work and tons of references with no credits.

More questions than answers, as of now.

Here is Holmlid’s patent application -- which is easily amenable to hydrogen 
boron fusion


Imagine collecting the dense hydrogen on a substrate of boron, which then 
becomes the target for a laser pulse – or double pulse.

Holmlid suggests the dense state can be manufactured and collected as an 
independent step. The ideal way to convert it in a second step would seem to be 
boron fusion.

Holmlid would be wise to specifically add boron fusion to his application.

Obviously if the new kind of “ponderomotive fusion” can be made to work with 
normal hydrogen, the dense state should even be better as a starting point…

…unless of course the Hora suggestion is indeed making the dense hydrogen in 
the first pulse and reacting it in the second pulse.

In that case, he should have credited Holmlid.

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