If careful analysis of the melted quartz has not be accomplished, it should be. 
 In addition, the source of the miasma should be identified if possible.  It 
may have come from sulfur in some electrical insulation.  Organic sulfur gases 
cabe very bas smelling—like a miasma.

Bob Cook

From: Russ<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:56 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LION experiments

Clearly the stainless steel parts in said tube furnaces have not ‘combusted’ in 
spite of being in air at 1000 C for 48 hours or more. Speaking of oxygen is 
fruitless as noone of the experiments is conducted in other than air.

The kanthal wire that is the heater is well characterized as having aluminium 
that migrates to the surface and forms a protective oxide. When that oxide is 
disturbed, as in scratched off during handling, it leads to oxidation of the 
rest of the kanthal metal and failure. Undisturbed the kanthal seems durable at 
1000 C in air.

There is plenty of utility in examining the witness temperatures of various 
materials melting and oxidation effects.

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 3:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

Melting points are irrelevant. Stainless steel combusts at 1,000C in oxygen.  
Tungsten combusts to WOx at 800C
Iron powder slowly oxidizes at room temperature in handwarmers.

The combustion can be extremely rapid and high temperature in the case of 
thermite reactions.

From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com<mailto:janap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 4:47 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LION experiments

I wonder if "the  fervent practice of conflation" means that the fusion meme 
that has been the mainstay of LENR theory for so long should now be retooled to 
somehow  fit into an as of yet unfathomable  understanding of the LION reactor 
meltdown. Russ is among those who are clearly confused by the LION reactor 
meltdown. Here is his analysis as follows:

Melting Miasma - The intact Kanthal wire is a witness to the temperature not 
reaching the melting point of kanthal which is listed as being 1500 C. The 
alumina block melts above 2000 C, the quartz melts at just under 1700 C. So if 
the quartz melted likely the kanthal which was in contact with the quartz might 
be expected to melt, not seen. Surely the alumina foam which was outside of the 
quartz melting at 2000 C would not 'melt' without the intervening kanthal 
showing melting which would occur at 1500 C. If during the oxidation of the 
copper that is clearly apparent, that very hot copper oxidation process was 
capable of perhaps breaking the quartz and that copper oxide invaded the 
surrounding materials it might well have bonding with all. Copper oxide melts 
at 1326 C. Copper melts at 1085 C. Nickel melts at 1455 C, don't forget the 
tiny 2.5 mm diameter 10 micron thick nickel pads with the diamonds attached to 
them that are the purported fuel are clearly seen and did NOT melt. Nor did the 
stainless steel bolt that plugged the reactor tube, stainless steels melt 
between 1400-1500 C depending on the alloy.

All theses known materials and melting points bear witness to many temperatures 
that might have been reached in the hot 'reaction' zone. In the 'dummy' test 
runs conducted at Alan's, the maker of the tube furnace test bed, at 1000 C. in 
these dummy runs without any anomalous fuels, aka the nickel diamond discs, the 
aggressive hot chemistry of the copper oxide and is very clearly seen. It has 
fused/bonded itself to the quartz for example. The silver foil that underlaid 
the copper wire winding at the distal end has a melting point 961 C, is 
apparent this temperature was reached as the silver appears to have moved by 
capillary action into the copper/copper oxide material and also appears to have 
been an effective brazing metal on the quartz, something it is known to do in 
common practice when making metal seals on quartz lab wear. All, or almost all, 
the copper was converted to copper oxide at 1000 C, this was not the case in a 
duplicate test at 800 C where considerable of the copper wire remained as metal 
though it was oxidized on the surface. The replication with power and thermal 
data may tell the tale, patience is going to be required before we might make 
sense of this miasma. Hopefully no one reports seeing the 'face of Jesus' in 
the miasma before the replication and more extensive data is in hand, that 
would really confuse matters.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Russ 
<russ.geo...@gmail.com<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

What’s to discuss other than perhaps something about the diagnostic incite 
offered by fervent practice of conflation.

From: Alberto De Souza 
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: [Vo]:LION experiments

This forum is rather silent about the LION experiments, currently being 
examined by MFMP... Anyone care to comment?


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