This gets into the age old 'lumper' vs. 'splitter' academic game. Sure some Geigers can see betas. In my experiments the emissions have to make it through a gauntlet of materials, mm thick ceramic, many mm thick quartz, fire brick, and of course plenty of air before they reach the front face of the Geiger. Since of course no one but an armchair idiot would trust only one Geiger and would not test various inserted attenuating materials and metals it is not really 'lumping' to declare that in this case Geigers cannot detect betas.'
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com <bobcook39...@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 1:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Meshugganons Russ George suggested that Geiger tubes do not record betas. I would guess that high energy betas (depending upon the window composition) should be recorded by Geiger tubes. Russ's beta sources that he used to check his tubes may have produced only soft betas. Maybe Russ could identify the energy of his beta sources. Bob Cook _____ From: Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com <mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 4:28:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons When Ed Storms reported on this, he had more than one pancake tube. One had a mica window and the other two were plastic. I believe he said that the "strange radiation" he encountered activated something in the mica window. The tube with the mica window became activated and had a particular decay rate that he measured. He could bring the other, plastic window'ed tubes close to the mica window and they would detect emissions from it. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:33 AM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: We have three identical Geiger's that I switch positions to constantly challenge (and eliminate) any anomalous behaviour and to reveal glitches as well as to provide coincident background counts that are used to refine the precision of the background vs. hot counts. The high count rates can be intentionally produced and reduced with prescribed changes in the experiment. So far so good. Of course this must be repeated with ever more precision and care, an effort in process at this moment. From: John Berry <aethe...@gmail.com <mailto:aethe...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 11:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons Is there any difference when the tube, shielding and Geiger counter are vertically disposed as in the image, or horizontally? How can you be sure it isn't some capacitive coupling effect? Could you ground the shields? Could you apply voltage spikes to the plates without them being exposed to the spark gap directly, see if that triggers the Geiger? On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Russ <russ.geo...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Nonsense there is no such lead shielding on the experiment as suggested. As well I have been interchanging 3 independent Geiger counters to eliminate any one being seen as being influenced by stray electrical fields. Only the Geiger that is nearest to the experimental source shows the anomalous count at multiples of the background. Much more work needs to be done to eliminate any and all possible errors in this but at least the anomalous emissions are predictably able to be induced in a repeatable fashion. In my opinion these emissions might well be either gammas or something unusual. The Geigers have been challenged with known beta sources and are quite unable to count betas. They are not behaving like my previous discovery of Mischugenons, I have recently renamed these 'Tellerons' in honour of my colleague Edward Teller who helped me with that discovery and indeed had speculated on their existence decades before my discovery experiments. There are clear paths to improve and enhance this Androcles protocol that will bring it in line with the work and teachings of Mills, Rossi, and Piantelli. From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 8:00 PM To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meshugganons In Alan's experiment, the Geiger counter's activity is the function of the thickness of the lead shielding. No shielding creates no Geiger counter activity. On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Brian Ahern <ahern_br...@msn.com <mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com> > wrote: Geiger counters are notoriously prone to high voltage noise interference. _____ From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2018 2:15 PM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Meshugganons * New * * <https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/2461-new-energy-world-symposium-in- stockholm-on-june-18-2018/?postID=84069#post84069> #54 <https://www.lenr-forum.com/image-proxy/?key=0d11eccc9d848e360a155c07d099e36 304d77de115e3bea87fefdc5793131f93-aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGVuci1mb3J1bS5jb20vYXR0YW NobWVudC80NzY2LXRoZS10ZXN0LXBuZy8%3D> Regarding Alan glow tube test... <http://www.thunder-energies.com/> THUNDER ENERGIES, a company that uses DR. RUGGERO SANTILLI'S TECH to detect nuclear weapons in sealed containers uses a variant of Alan Smith's experiment. <http://www.thunder-energies.com/index.php/ct-menu-item-18/11-articles/19-ar ticle-10> http://www.thunder-energies.co.11-articles/19-article-10 Quote The hadronic reactors for the industrial synthesis of thermal neutrons from a hydrogen gas essentially include (TEC international patent pending): 1. A metal vessel filled up with a hydrogen gas at a pressure depending on the desired neutron CPS; 2. Electronic means for the remote control of the gap between a pair of tungsten electrodes located inside said metal vessel; and 3. A specially designed power unit delivering high voltage and high current rapid DC discharges in between said electrodes. As shown in Figure 5, the DC arc ionizes the hydrogen atoms, thus creating a plasma of protons and electrons; the DC arc then aligns the proton and the electron along a magnetic field line with the appropriate spin and other couplings; an engineering means called triggers compress the electron inside the proton, by supplying the missing energy (which is about one million electron Volts, 1 MeV). Display More Sometimes a theorist can save an experimenter a lot of work by avoiding duplicating existing technology. Santilli thinks that neutrons can be formed out of a union of protons and neutrons. This is nonsense. What Santilli is producing are muons. the same particle that Alan is generating. The US government is using cosmic ray generated muons to detect nuclear material in shipping containers now. Cosmic-Ray Muons Reveal Hidden Void in the Great Pyramid <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/ancient/cosmic-ray-muons-reveal-hidden-vo id-in-the-great-pyramid/> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/n.oid-in-the-great-pyramid/ Muon Thomography are well known as a means to detect nuclear material Innovations In Nuclear Detection: Muon Tomography <http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2012/ph241/khan1/> http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2012/ph241/khan1/
