Any way you slice it, Michel battery storage of electricity off the Grid
is
the most practical way to "store" Pipeline Hydrogen for Vehicle use.
Fred
Michel Jullian wrote:
Well no the Eiffel Tower couldn't support a windmill on top as it already
supports TV emitters, and your scheme would make TV emissions
stroboscopic
at a frequency depending on wind speed :)
A storage device in the garage will be recommended indeed, but it's not
practical with electrochemistry because of the lifetime issues I
mentioned.
Ultracaps would be fine though, and would allow recharging in a matter of
minutes i.e. as fast as refilling your gas tank. That's how EEstor
envisions
refill stations BTW, lots of ultracaps.
BTW Fred (and other distinguished vorts) I would be interested in your
opinion on the EEStor patent I discovered a few days ago
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html (copy-paste app number
0040071944, I haven't found how to link directly to the patent)
Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
> >From what I've seen on this topic, no one has suggested putting a high
> efficiency
> battery (comparable to the one in your vehicle) or other storage device
in
> your garage
> and charging it with a rooftop solar panel, windmill (this was done
down
> on
> the farm in the 1930s),
> waste heat device, then charge your vehicle from it while you are
> on rest mode. Then there are piped-in-hydrogen fuel cells on the
> horizon
> also.
>
> The Eiffel Tower could sport a windmill on top, Michel. :-)
>
> Fred
>
> Michel Jullian wrote.
>>
>>
>> I agree, progress in this field can't be incremental. The main issue
with
>> electrochemical batteries (lithium or whatever they might come up with
in
>> the future) is cost in the long run due to limited life (in number of
>> recharges). A dry parallel plate type capacitor such as the EEstor
device
> if
>> it really works would last for ages (millions of recharges vs
hundreds).
>>
>> We shouldn't get too excited though, people have been known to make
>> extraordinary claims only intended for investors, I am not saying this
is
>> the case for EEstor and I certainly hope it isn't :)
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zell, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 3:34 PM
>> Subject: RE: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
>>
>>
>> >I have feared that, perhaps, we have encountered fundamental
>> >problems
>> > with trying to squeeze more energy density and low cost efficiency
out
>> > of an
>> > electrochemical process such as batteries depend on. Where can we
>> > go
>> > beyond lithium?
>> >
>> > That's why the ultracap approach is so exciting - it's a whole new
way
>> > to fix the energy storage problem.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 6:07 PM
>> > To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
>> > Subject: RE: Simple comparison electric car versus gasoline
>> >
>> > Zell, Chris wrote:
>> >
>> >>This lack of additional generating capacity need is partly why a
Really
>> >
>> >>Good Battery would have such a dramatic effect on society. You
create
>> >>electric cars that run much cheaper per mile without much need for
>> >>additional fossil fuel generator use. Indeed, I think that such a
>> >>device would encourage an explosion of alternative development that
>> >>would quickly challenge utilities fossil fuel use.
>> >
>> > Don't forget, Chris: it works the other way too. Sometimes superior
>> > technology creates the opportunity, and sometimes opportunity gives
>> > rise
>> > to superior technology. This is what is happening now with
batteries.
>> > We
>> > do not have Really Good Batteries but we do have Considerably
Improved
>> > Batteries, such as the latest generation that are going into hybrid
>> > cars
>> > and the upcoming plug-in hybrid cars.
>> > Hundreds of thousands of hybrid cars have been manufactured and this
>> > has
>> > created a large market for improved batteries, and a flood of R&D
>> > funding. This, in turn, may eventually give rise to radically
improved
>> > versions and the Holy Grail you speak of: the Really Good Battery.
>> >
>> > Batteries also improved over the last 20 years thanks to the demand
for
>> > cell phones and portable computers.
>> >
>> > Persistent demand and a flood of R&D funding will not produce a
radical
>> > breakthrough such as cold fusion. That sort of thing only comes
>> > along
>> > once every century or so, and it is the product of genius with no
>> > connection to the quotidian world of money and business.
>> > (Believe me, CF researchers live in a mental space light years away
>> > from
>> > what usually passes for reality.) But R&D funding will produce
>> > incremental improvements, and that may be enough to produce the
Really
>> > Good Battery. Incremental improvements brought us microprocessors
with
>> > 100 million components and 20 GB hard disks that fit into your
pocket.
>> > Such things would have seemed utterly incredible 30 years ago -- to
me,
>> > anyway. Yet they did not require any fundamental or surprising
>> > discoveries, just persistent slogging and one small improvement
>> > after
>> > another.
>> >
>> > - Jed
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
