Easy way to resolve the issue, Jones. Put a modified one of these in a "vacuum bottle" sitting on a scale with the 15 KV AC from a neon sign transformer feeding it and see if there's a weight change.
http://www.stormwise.com/page3.htm Fred > [Original Message] > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Date: 4/5/2006 7:55:37 AM > Subject: Re: Electrogravity From Accelerated B Fields > > But Fred, I have the "word", direct from the Saviour... <g> > > And the word is EHD ... and for mere mortals, this is probably not > gravity modification, although there could be a lesser B-B effect > out there waiting to be proved, it is probably so small that it is > almost trivial as far as usefullness (for space travel) is > concerned. > > ...yes, "Saviour" is his real name (but he would likely be taken > more seriusly by the mainstream if he were to change it) and there > is no one on the planet who has done more careful and thorough > R&D... into all things electrostatic. > http://www.blazelabs.com/l-intro.asp > > Anyway, there has been a tremendous amount of "amateur" research > done in the past few years on the elctrostatic "thrusters" aka > "lifters." There is also similar, but more amateurish work (as to > theory) on the Naudin Site. Of course these are not capacitors, > per se. However the external effects are similar if not identical, > and the whole field of inquiry demonstrates that there is a > surprising amount of elelctrostatic thrust available from high > voltage. > > In fact the hard part (and Buehler misses this point) is to get > rid of it for experimental purposes. It is very easy to fool > oneself into the belief that there is real gravity modification > going on - and there may be some small amount, but without using a > "hard" vacuum, it is impossible to know. > > That is why Buehler's work seems deficient. He seems to be mildly > aware of these larger issues, but he tries to blow them off with a > few words and little direct experiment. Even a cursory look at > these older experiments should show that a hard vacuum is > absolutely required for anything meaningful - and a moderate > vacuum may even accentuate the EHD effect. > > Since Saviour is accessible, answers email, and is a brilliant > experimenter - and has his own forum and Lab - and most of all - > has dealt with these issues for years, I hope you will write him > directly for an expert opinion. I am just a kibitzer of his work. > > Although the Buehler-et.-al underlying theory is nice: at this > stage, there seems to be little in the Buehler stuff to alter the > bottom line opinion that as far as what is going-on in the > experiment itself, this is an EHD effect only, and he has not done > his homework. > > I hope you will write to Saviour and challenge him with this > theory and will post the thread back to vortex, but no one here > (certainly not me) seems to be capable of adding anything relevant > in the detail it deserves - or near the depth of Eng. Saviour's > insight. > > Jones > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > The force between the capacitor plates Buehler used, equals > Energy/Spacing > = 0.4 joule/0.05 meter = 8.0 nt-meter/0.05 meter = 8.0 nt. > > Therefore the force ( F ) between the charged capacitor energy and > the earth = 0.4 nt-meter/s meter so at 1.0 meter F = 0.4 nt > regardless of the sign on each of the capacitor plates: > > OTOH, Buehler's single plate with a positive potential was > attracted toward > the earth as opposed to the repelling force of a negatively > charged plate > which suggests that electrons repel gravity. > > If not for the ~42 orders of magnitude greater proton-electron > electrostatic force, there wouldn't be any electrons around. :-) > > Fred > > Jones says. > > > Put the thing in a vacuum and the effect goes away. > > > I'm not so sure about that, Jones. > > It takes the combined energy of 1.223e-13 0.510 MeV (8.16e-14 > joule) electrons to equal 1.0 joule, > the total charge, Q of 1.223e13 electrons is 2.0e-6 coulombs. > > A 5.0e-12 farad capacitor (in air) holding 2.0 e-6 coulombs has > a voltage Q/5.0e-12 = 4.0e5 volts > on its plates, and stores as Electrical Energy, 1/2 CV^2 = 0.4 > joules. > > Buehler's calculation from the data shows the "normalized" > anomalous repelling force (regardless of the sign of the plates > wrt the earth) of 0.47 newtons per joule. >
