----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode
> Michel Jullian wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frederick Sparber" >> >> >> > Michel Jullian wrote: >> >> >> >> About calorimetry on the gas, I was wondering, could it be as simple >> >> as >> > slow-burning it underwater as it is produced, in a torch whose tip is >> > deeply immersed in a calorimetered bucket of water? >> >> >> > My "lackey" is pushing 82 and wants to try it on an engine "without all >> > of that science stuff". :-) >> >> I see :) Measuring temperature rise of a bucketful of water is not > excessively "science stuff" though. BTW do you really mean "lackey"? The > term is quite pejorative isn't it? (I guess he must not be listening to > this list, but still...) >> > We will be venting the gas from a balloon inflated from the pressurized > electrolysis > chamber into a water-detergent filled pan and lighting the bubbles. Should make splendid pops :) > I suppose the calorimetry could be worked into. Should be easy since the flame will burn nicely underwater. Maybe the flame could heat an immersed heat sink from underneath to spread out the heat. Evaporated mass calorimetry (1g = 2260J at 1 atmosphere) would be even better than delta-T calorimetry, as it would allow long runs and wouldn't require more than a thermos bottle and a kitchen scale (no "science stuff" ;) > "Lackey" is my way of teasing a close friend of 55 years. If that's ok with him... > He was an Air > Force > staff sergeant (Africa-France campaign WW II) while I was a lowly Army > Private First > Class while we were stationed next to Sandia Labs keeping the > communications > between weapons sites up and running. > > BTW. Check out these Nickel Foam sheets that could serve as high > surface area electrodes. > We used them as "wicks" in liquid metal heat pipes. The pb is, foam would retain the bubbles. Michel > > http://www.metalfoam.net/papers/paserin2004.pdf > > Fred >> >> >> >> Er BTW if haven't done any calorimetry on the gas, what was the Eout >> >> in >> > the Ein/Eout=4 ratio you told us about? >> >> >> > I didn't say anything along those lines, did I? >> >> You made me doubt so I searched for "energy out" in your past posts and > dug it out for you (17 May): >> "I'll let my lackey(1800 miles away) finish running >> the stainlees steel Joe Cell type plate-stack experiment where present >> power in/power.out is 4.0" >> >> Michel >> >> > Only that adding bicab of >> > soda and borax upped the current >> > from 2.0 milliamperes to over 800. >> >> >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> P.S. About the salt lake lifting experiment, I guess it could be tried > in >> > one's bath tub to see how it feels, the good old Archemedes way ;) >> >> >> > Nah. not enough variety of minerals, Michel, and son-in-law said >> > walking >> > on soft crystals along the shore was therapeutic for his feet, which >> > are >> > large >> > enough that he doesn't need water skis. :-) >> > >> > Fred >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 10:43 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode >> >> >> >> >> >> > BTW, Michel, our flat plate (12 SS plates about 70 cm^2 spaced 1 cm) >> >> > with ~12 volts on the end plates (11 series cells at ~ 1.0 volts) > with >> >> > NaHCO3-Borax >> >> > "catalyst" draws ~ 0.8 amps and produces copious gas, but we >> >> > haven't done calorimetry on the gas yet. >> >> > >> >> > As an aside, on a recent swing through Salt Lake city on >> >> > a corporate business trip my son-in-law (still a kid at 50) >> >> > left a day ahead so he could try a swim in the Great Salt Lake. >> >> > He found it a lifting experience. >> >> > Ever since the 5th grade (1943) when I saw a picture of people > floating >> >> > on top of the lake I've wanted to try that. Chalk up many son-in-law >> > points >> >> > for him. :-) >> >> > >> >> > Fred >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> [Original Message] >> >> >> From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Date: 5/29/2006 2:18:27 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: Helmholtz Layer electrode >> >> >> >> >> >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You guys are talking about Joe Cells as if they worked, do they >> >> >> > in >> > your >> >> >> own experience? Last news we had from your experiment 1800 miles > away >> >> >> wasn't encouraging IIRC was it Fred? Something about energy out > being >> > only >> >> >> a quarter of energy in, which I don't quite understand how it is >> > possible >> >> >> BTW. >> >> >> > >> >> >> Joe Cell Seminar >> >> >> July 30, 2006; Salt Lake City, Utah, USA >> >> >> Immediately Following the ExtraOrdinary Technology Conference >> >> >> 12:30 pm - 5:30 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/ >> >> >> >> >> >> "Peter Stevens, of NSW Australia, has been installing Joe cells on >> >> > vehicles >> >> >> for about 14 years. In that time, he estimates that he has > installed >> >> >> around 80 cells, 40-50 of which are exclusively running on a Joe > cell, >> > and >> >> >> 30-40 of which were installed to assist diesel engines, giving them >> >> >> improved efficiency of as much as 50%. He has kept in touch with > and >> >> > knows >> >> >> off the top of his head of about 15 cars running with fuel line >> >> >> disconnected." >> >> >> >> >> >> Taken with a gram of table salt, Michel. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> Fred >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Michel >> >> >> >> snip >> > >> > >> > > > >
