Jones wrote:
>
> One does not necessarily need to believe in the
> present objective proof of a crude device like the
> Joe-Cell to further investigate what is going on.
>
Agreed.
>
> There is the possibility of achieving something
> valuable and unique here, in this sub-field which can
> be termed as 'eltra-efficient electrolysis' and it may
> be drivaive and based roughly on these crude early
> designs, but the end product will surely be very
> different from any of them.
>
Hear, Hear. We've seen that already using a series stack of 12
2.75" x  4.5"   "magnetic stainless steel" wall plate electrical outlet 
covers with 1.0 cm spacing (11 cells with 10 floating/neutral plates) up to
0.5 amperes with 9 volts applied to the two end plates
giving 0.82 volts per cell.

Lots of gas production with 9.0 * 0.5 = 4.5 watts input.

Ideal Electrolysis:
Hydrogen production 1.0362E-5 grams per ampere-second.
Oxygen Production 8.29E-5 grams per ampere-second.

Typical Commercial Electrolyzers:
The Electrolabs Cell:
600 amperes at 2.5 volts 34 x 47 x 8.5 inches, 4.8 ft^3 oxygen and 8.9 ft^3
hydrogen
per hour.
The Knowles Cell:
4 ft long x 2.5 ft wide x 2.5 ft deep 3,000 amperes at 2.25 volts produces
24.2 ft^3 oxygen and 48.4 ft^3 hydrogen per hour.
High Pressure Electrolyzer (Germany):
10 ft^3 Hydrogen per kilowatt-hour. (5.57E-3 lb per ft^3) = 18 KW-Hr/LB.

Fred

>
> Jones



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